Is Maryland part of the northeastern or southeastern U.S. culturally? (Bowie: house, to live in)

[ialmostforgot]

Originally Posted by U146

Baltimore is not the South. Linguistically it has the same accent as Philadelphia and Southern New Jersey. In terms of local dining, nothing stuck out to me as Southern. It leads me to wonder if you've ever actually been to the real South. Baltimore and the majority of Maryland ain't it culturally, linguistically, or politically. To disagree with me is to disagree with linguistic studies, political history, industrial history during the Great Migration, etc. Baltimore can be Southern in your opinion but your opinion is only that...an opinion. Mine is based on facts.

They do not have the same accent , they have related accents. The accents are cousins of each other and not twins.

"Ah was seow tarrd in saunce class today." Is that a Philly/Jersey accent? No. They are easily distinguishable to anyone who had heard the accents before.

"Wll that cwffee Iy just drank made me feel harrible. Iy had this vegg desiyre to threow up." That isn't a Baltimore accent, either.

The main sound that links the two accents together is the o sound; the accents are realized differently due to Philly/NJ's New York, northern sounds and Baltimore's southern sounds.

[ialmostforgot]

Originally Posted by U146

Baltimore isn't Southern I'm sorry. Most of Maryland is Northeastern with the exception of Southern Maryland and the Eastern Shore.

That's 12/24 jurisdictions. What was northern about AA, PG, Montgomery and Howard counties again? Italians? New York-sounding accent? 2.5 months of summer and four of winter instead of the other way around?

[ialmostforgot]

Originally Posted by Brooklynite1114

TO ME:

In Baltimore, it feels southern.

In Aberdeen (just for a visit), it feels northern.

So really, it depends where you live. If you live in an affluent suburb (I.E Columbia, Bethesda), it is northeastern culturally. But if you live in an urban city of Maryland or an impoverished suburb (I.E Dundalk, Edgewood), it is definitely southeastern culturally.

How is Bethesda northeastern? Because of rich, college-educated people like can be found in Philly and Pittsburgh?

Not calling it southern.

[Infinite_heights77]

"..northeast has its own authentic feels and I (a Marylander) can't find those here..."


*It's interesting, because some places in rural New Jersey and New York are pretty comparable to places in rural Maryland. Outside of New York City, Newark, Hoboken and other places more densely populated, there are cultural, social and political similarities between these regions. Everything isn't centered around NYC and Baltimore as respective cities.

Originally Posted by ialmostforgot

Southern, Appalachian, Pennsylvania-style in some parts... considering the various areas of state, I wouldn't consider it Mid-Atlantic/Northeastern like NJ or CT.
Slightly voting for Southern (the Virginia type, of course).

Some areas are very identity-less, but I wouldn't equate that as northeastern. The northeast has its own authentic feels and I (a Marylander) can't find those here.

[Infinite_heights77]

In Baltimore, it feels southern.


Interestingly enough, I made this disparity between Baltimore and Aberdeen, MD back in 1986.


I used to DJ Baltimore is Aberdeen, MD during the late 1980's, most of all the people who attended my parties where army transplants from NYC/NJ. They brought their music, culture, attitudes, behaviors and that good old New York City ego with them. The locals didn't support me, the transplants did!

Originally Posted by Brooklynite1114

TO ME:

In Baltimore, it feels southern.

In Aberdeen (just for a visit), it feels northern.

So really, it depends where you live. If you live in an affluent suburb (I.E Columbia, Bethesda), it is northeastern culturally. But if you live in an urban city of Maryland or an impoverished suburb (I.E Dundalk, Edgewood), it is definitely southeastern culturally.

[personone]

Originally Posted by Infinite_heights77

"..northeast has its own authentic feels and I (a Marylander) can't find those here..."


*It's interesting, because some places in rural New Jersey and New York are pretty comparable to places in rural Maryland. Outside of New York City, Newark, Hoboken and other places more densely populated, there are cultural, social and political similarities between these regions. Everything isn't centered around NYC and Baltimore as respective cities.

Even outside the major cities, what are examples of how MD is politically, culturally, or socially similar to New York or New Jersey?

MD is historically a democratic state because it has such a large black population. Even in non-urban majority white, blue-collar areas of New York and New Jersey, you'll find more democratic blocks than you would in similar places in MD (ie Fredrick, Urbana, etc). If you're just going purely on the states being democratic, then throw in California as being similar to MD too.

Also culturally, even in the more rural areas of NY/NJ, you still see a substantially larger Italian American population than you would ever see in counterpart regions in MD. I'm sure the food and way of life in these non-urban areas are different than the non-urban areas of MD. So I don't see how MD is politically or culturally similar to Ny/NJ in regions outside of the big cities.

[maryland__]

Maryland is a mix, but I would say it is more like the north.

[ialmostforgot]

Originally Posted by Infinite_heights77

"..northeast has its own authentic feels and I (a Marylander) can't find those here..."


*It's interesting, because some places in rural New Jersey and New York are pretty comparable to places in rural Maryland. Outside of New York City, Newark, Hoboken and other places more densely populated, there are cultural, social and political similarities between these regions. Everything isn't centered around NYC and Baltimore as respective cities.

When did I say anything about rural areas, and who centers everything in MD around Baltimore? Rural NY doesn't even appear to be like rural MD. New York is much colder/has different tree species, and the people are of different backgrounds except for in the German-descended areas in the western parts of each state. And even then, we never had the New England ("Yankee") migrations here.

Rural MD
http://www.co.cal.md.us/PhotoGallery...x280_thumb.jpg

https://www.google.com/maps/place/13...968801c7?hl=en



Rural NY
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...p8uqqoE0djahmA
http://petergreenberg.com/wurlontent.../11/2-fall.jpg

[sniffablecow]

Originally Posted by ialmostforgot

When did I say anything about rural areas, and who centers everything in MD around Baltimore? Rural NY doesn't even appear to be like rural MD. New York is much colder/has different tree species, and the people are of different backgrounds except for in the German-descended areas in the western parts of each state. And even then, we never had the New England ("Yankee") migrations here.

Rural MD
http://www.co.cal.md.us/PhotoGallery...x280_thumb.jpg

https://www.google.com/maps/place/13...968801c7?hl=en



Rural NY
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...p8uqqoE0djahmA
http://petergreenberg.com/wurlontent.../11/2-fall.jpg

Hey, I saw you in another thread. But anyway, he was out of his mind to say rural MD and NY are perfectly the same :/ I understand that MD isnt northern like NY, but my argument is, you dont make a state southern because it is not northern, or make it northern, because it isnt southern. Also, NYC and DC are not waaay different during the summer or the winter. NYC is a little cooler, but not off the charts cooler, like upstate. What I will say is, NJ and Maryland can be compared, I find that true.

Maryland rural: Rural Maryland scenery photo - Kuriacose Joseph photos at pbase.com

New Jersey rural: http://www.putthat****onthelist.com/...rural-new.html

They arent too different in my opinion, could see both of these rural areas in either state.

Nature wise, again, NJ and MD, not too different. The tallpines are seen in southern MD, but I have seen a little in northern MD and southern NJ. Climate is not that different, MD mountains will obviously get more snow than a lot of NJ because of elevation and location. But I will bring you a website that shows average snowfall for states, its really interesting:

MD average snowfall website: https://www.currentresults.com/Weath...l-snowfall.php

NJ average snowfall website: https://www.currentresults.com/Weath...l-snowfall.php

Dialect wise, I think MD is too transient in a lot of places, but here is a map I found, again, I dont take it too seriously, but it wasnt extremely bad: American English Dialects

Bottom line, Maryland and New Jersey arent that different, I dont think we should keep trying to make them different. I like them the way they are. I agree with Maryland not being a lot like New York, but I think it has enough in common with New Jersey

[sniffablecow]

Originally Posted by ialmostforgot

When did I say anything about rural areas, and who centers everything in MD around Baltimore? Rural NY doesn't even appear to be like rural MD. New York is much colder/has different tree species, and the people are of different backgrounds except for in the German-descended areas in the western parts of each state. And even then, we never had the New England ("Yankee") migrations here.

Rural MD
http://www.co.cal.md.us/PhotoGallery...x280_thumb.jpg

https://www.google.com/maps/place/13...968801c7?hl=en



Rural NY
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...p8uqqoE0djahmA
http://petergreenberg.com/wurlontent.../11/2-fall.jpg

Also, most of rural MD is NOT swamps, atleast in central and western MD :/ Dont mislead people dude, but its fine, I alrdy posted a better picture of rural MD in GENERAL. I wouldnt use swamps as a general picture. Plus, why are you only focusing on the most southern parts of MD hugh?

If you are going to make points on rural MD, you need to show bigger varieties, not only southern eastern shore :/