09-18-2013, 10:49 AM
Location: Cumberland
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westsideboy
Western Maryland is Allegany and Garrett Counties, and any native out my way will tell you the same. Our two counties are a region apart. We are in the meat of the Appalachian mountains, we are geographically isolated from the rest of the state (Hagerstown is closer in distance to Rockville than it is to Cumberland) and suffer from population stagnation/decline and income levels that resemble WV and SW PA.
None of these traits are found in Washington, Frederick, or Carroll Counties. Washington and Frederick Counties have some mountainous areas, but are dominated by large fertile valleys (Carroll county has no mountains, it is rolling farm country.) These same GOP Central Maryland counties are growing in population and have income levels about average for the state as they are commutable locations.
I don't want to be outvoted by NIMBY exurbanites anymore than I want to be outvoted by closer-in suburbanites. They can both do us a favor though and stop misusing our moniker.
Here is a response from the "real" Western Maryland county officials.
Local officials concerned about secession movement » Local News » Cumberland Times-News
This idea isn't coming from Western Maryland, it is coming from a dude living in Carroll County and working in Baltimore County. I wish he would stop using our regional name for his cause. He makes some good points........but secession isn't a realistic option and the time would be better spend trying to explain rural Marylander's issues with top-down governing and working to twart the momentum towards more centralized state control.
09-21-2013, 08:18 PM
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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So it says many residents of Garrett COunty and Alleghany don't even get Maryland news that they get TV from Pittsburgh. So they were left out of the loop with the IADA, the nanny state laws, the rain tax, other taxes, the death penalty repeal, gay marriage etc that goes against their rural values.
09-22-2013, 06:38 PM
Location: Cumberland
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So it says many residents of Garrett COunty and Alleghany don't even get Maryland news that they get TV from Pittsburgh. So they were left out of the loop with the IADA, the nanny state laws, the rain tax, other taxes, the death penalty repeal, gay marriage etc that goes against their rural values.
Well, Alleghany County probably heard very little about what was going on in Maryland since they are down in the VA mountains.
Now ALLEGANY County, MD does get D.C., PA and Baltimore channels. When you get out to Garrett, most of the channels are from PA.
I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say. Folks up here are well aware of what is going on downstate with taxes, regulations, etc. It just doesn't sit well that some commuter from Carroll County has decided to start a "Western Maryland Secession" movement without consulting any of the elected officials in Western Maryland.
10-07-2013, 04:05 PM
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What happens if they do secede?
10-07-2013, 07:35 PM
Location: Montgomery County, MD
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It wont happen, wish it did and normal people got representation to compensate like DC getting representation. Love how Western Maryland loves to suck at the Moco and Hoco teat yet get mad about social issues, very adorable :O
10-07-2013, 08:05 PM
Location: Cumberland
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It wont happen, wish it did and normal people got representation to compensate like DC getting representation. Love how Western Maryland loves to suck at the Moco and Hoco teat yet get mad about social issues, very adorable :O
This pipe dream isn't coming from us. It is some dude who works in Baltimore County, and lives in Carroll County who is stealing our region's name and attaching it to his angst.
It makes me feel a bit miffed too.
10-08-2013, 09:41 AM
Location: East Coast of the United States
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What happens if they do secede?
What happens if the federal government does move out of Washington, D.C.? Who knows?
Yet people sure like to talk on and on about things that will never come to pass in their lifetimes. lol.
10-09-2013, 04:57 AM
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again.... it wont happen, just some dude clucking about how he hates something and wants an entire region to secede because HE cant get his way....
10-11-2013, 12:02 PM
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Click on the following link, and read the second "Older article" entitled "Why Baltimore is not Detroit," Sept 27, 2013.
http://www.gazette.net/section/blairlee/20130927
It explains how just about all Baltimore City services are maintained out of general Maryland funds: for instance, the city School system, the City Jail, all social services programs, the City Community College, the Orioles and Ravens stadiums, the Concert hall, Convention center, the Hippodrome, the Lyric Theater, Center Stage, the Light-rail, Subway, and City bus system, port facilities, the Aquarium expansion, science center, the Zoo, the Airport, City Libraries, all city road and bridge maintenance, etc. are/were paid for by taxpayers statewide. By contrast, Detroit, MI does not have such a generous state government, hence has gone bankrupt.
Blair Lee, I believe, is the son of a former Acting Governor of MD.
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Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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