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Old 03-20-2014, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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I am still having trouble understanding your argument.

Are you trying go the route of it costing taxpayer money to keep people inprison for marijuana offenses?

If so you and a lot of others are mistaken. Short of felony distributionoffenses, virtually no one is sentenced to prison for possession of marijuana.Even if (when) Maryland "legalizes" marijuana, it still will beillegal to smoke in public and possess over a certain amount.
It's a waste of everyone's time. A cop who could be doing something meaningful is spending his time arresting some kid for smoking a joint. The kid goes through a traumatic experience dealing with the law and the court systems for smoking pot. Does it teach him a lesson? Yes - the lesson of not get caught. Most people admit to having smoked weed, so you might as well arrest half the population. Trying to enforce a law that half the population has broken or doesn't take seriously is impossible to enforce and a waste of time. This is all just in the context that statistically the war on drugs has been a massive, undeniable failure .
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Charles Town, WV
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From a criminal justice perspective, the real burden is going to be when marijuana is legalized. No one on here thinks about this because it doesn't affect them, yet......but there will be a significant increase of DUI arrests (driving under the influence of marijuana), including DUI crashes with injuries/fatalities. Colorado law enforcement's DUI's of these kind have exponentially increased since legalizing marijuana and that is where the true financial burden is going to be. DUI's in court do have an impact because they can take multiple days and are fought much harder than a simple possession charge. More defendants hire a lawyer for DUI's compared to a possession charge because the sentencing is higher. And what happens if the DUI arrest was a result of an accident? Injuries can cost a lot of money and so does insurance.
This is the aspect that I'm curious about. Does the technology exist, and is it effectively in use, to determine if someone is driving under the influence from pot? If someone drives drunk and gets into a wreck, I believe that the troopers are able to detect and measure that "under the influence" condition. Can they do the same for pot?
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Old 03-20-2014, 02:19 PM
 
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This is the aspect that I'm curious about. Does the technology exist, and is it effectively in use, to determine if someone is driving under the influence from pot? If someone drives drunk and gets into a wreck, I believe that the troopers are able to detect and measure that "under the influence" condition. Can they do the same for pot?
Yes, they'd have to take a urine sample from you. That shows whether you consumed it or not with some test.
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Old 03-20-2014, 03:13 PM
 
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a learning curve period to be gotten through.
We'll survive it just fine.
Sure....you say that now until you are at the receiving end of that DUI crash. Hope you will survive it just fine......

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This is the aspect that I'm curious about. Does the technology exist, and is it effectively in use, to determine if someone is driving under the influence from pot? If someone drives drunk and gets into a wreck, I believe that the troopers are able to detect and measure that "under the influence" condition. Can they do the same for pot?
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Yes, they'd have to take a urine sample from you. That shows whether you consumed it or not with some test.
Nope, not a urine sample.

Most police officers/troopers/deputies are certified to conduct road-side tests to determine if a driver is driving under the influence of alcohol. To determine if the driver is under another substance, a police officer certified as a DRE (Drug Recognition Expert) needs to be called to conduct a different series of tests. Their tests, will be able to tell what substance and to what degree a driver is under the influence of. Blood is also requested from the driver to get an actual percentage (or amount? don't know, I'm not a DRE) of that substance in your system.
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Old 03-21-2014, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Yes, they'd have to take a urine sample from you. That shows whether you consumed it or not with some test.

But marijuana stays in your system for a month right? A positive test is not a the same as showing that the individual is under the influence at the time of the test. But I don't think there is a good possibility that driving under the influence has a good chance of increasing if pot is decriminalized.

But from what I've heard driving while high is not like driving drunk. When drunk you tend to drive too aggressively, at least at a young age (I know I did) or swerve all over the road. When a driver is high he tends to find himself in the passing lane going 48 with the turn signal on.
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:19 AM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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But from what I've heard driving while high is not like driving drunk.
Because being high is not comparable to being drunk.
Drunk = excess intake beyond capacity to metabolize.

None of which would excuse irresponsible behavior let alone dangerous driving
or culpability for a whole raft of charges in the event of...

But like the DWI arresstee who w/could also face a whole raft of charges, everything from
vehicular manslaughter down through safety inspection tickets, the one charge they wouldn't
face would be possession of an illegal substance.

To date, we haven't needed quick/easy and reliable tests to distinguish the gradations.
It's principally a technology problem that WILL be sorted out.


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Old 03-21-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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But marijuana stays in your system for a month right? A positive test is not a the same as showing that the individual is under the influence at the time of the test. ...
That's right. But if the test comes back positive you know you are dealing with a bad guy who has consumed marijuana at some point in recent history so you can still book him for a broken tail light or something. Whereas if the test comes back negative, you know you are dealing with a hard-working, law-abiding citizen so you can only give him a warning for that broken tail light. It isn't all that black or white.
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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That's right.
But if the test comes back positive you know you are dealing with a bad guy...
if the test comes back negative, you know you are dealing with a hard-working...
hahaha

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It isn't all that black or white.
It sure isn't.
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Old 03-22-2014, 04:45 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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That's right. But if the test comes back positive you know you are dealing with a bad guy who has consumed marijuana at some point in recent history so you can still book him for a broken tail light or something. Whereas if the test comes back negative, you know you are dealing with a hard-working, law-abiding citizen so you can only give him a warning for that broken tail light. It isn't all that black or white.
Well played.
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Old 03-22-2014, 09:36 AM
 
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But marijuana stays in your system for a month right? A positive test is not a the same as showing that the individual is under the influence at the time of the test. But I don't think there is a good possibility that driving under the influence has a good chance of increasing if pot is decriminalized.

But from what I've heard driving while high is not like driving drunk. When drunk you tend to drive too aggressively, at least at a young age (I know I did) or swerve all over the road. When a driver is high he tends to find himself in the passing lane going 48 with the turn signal on.
As I stated earlier, Colorado law enforcement is currently dealing with an influx of marijuana DUI's due to it's decriminalization.


Your example of driving in the passing lane going 48 with the turn signal on also applies to those under the influence of alcohol - it all depends on the person..... just like some people get angry when they drink and some people just fall asleep. In fact, I have seen more drunks driving under the speed limit than over it.... my guess is because they know they have had too much to drink and are paranoid about their driving.....


When someone is under the influence of marijuana (NOT how long it stays in your system, two completely different topics, Drro), their coordination and reactions are impaired.... "slowed down" if you will. Do I honestly need to give reasons why slowed coordination and reactions are detremental when you are behind a motor vehicle? The driver under the influence of marijuana is not the one typically weaving all over the road, they are the ones that will crash into the rear of another vehicle because they did not see traffic in front of them come to a complete stop and didnt stop in time... or didn't see the pedestrian in the crosswalk.....
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