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Old 08-08-2014, 02:35 PM
 
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Saw this coming years ago. The entire string of Maryland casino legislation was rammed through from day one with the sole benefactor being the casino industry and the politicians who took money from the industry. They lobbied our legislators HARD, and many owe their campaign purses to casino kickbacks.

What did anyone in this state expect? People keep voting in "the party" in this one-party state. At least we can look forward to their ever expanding presence cannibalizing patrons and sales off of each other. There are just too many casinos in this small state, and they built them way too big up front.

There is nothing organic about their development and once the novelty wears off you will see traffic decline and thus declining traffic to the nearby businesses (especially Arundel Mills; Perryville is already a joke and most Marylanders have to pay $10 in tolls just to get there and back), and then with declining traffic you will see more hoodlums and crime around the casinos and nightlife there.
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Old 08-08-2014, 10:21 PM
 
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The crime around Arundel Mills has soared since the casinos opened and it's not uncommon to have shootings and robberies there. Before we escaped Maryland, I stopped going to Arundel Mills in the evening and I now wonder about the property values of all those townhomes that sprang up there before the casino opened.
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Old 08-09-2014, 07:03 AM
 
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From the article NB posted:


Since the first casino opened in Maryland, almost $700 million gambling dollars have gone into the Education Trust Fund. But lawmakers have used that money to replace rather than increase general fund revenues normally spent on schools. In other words, they have used it to free up general fund money for other purposes.

While the state’s education budget has fluctuated, that has been due largely to other factors like federal contributions.

There’s another reason the casino money has had little obvious impact on schools: Last year’s education budget totaled more than $7 billion, with the $285 million in the Education Trust Fund accounting for just a small fraction.


I get it, it appears as if the money from casinos did not have the promised effect on the MD schools And that is a valid point. As the start of the quote above points out lawmakers have diverted the money to the general fund, freeing up money for other uses.

Bottom line is $700 million dollars have been generated by casinos and that money has gone to your state for a variety of uses. Needs that we would have paid for with our tax dollars.

Works for me.
Works for me, too, but the problem is these increases in overall revenue generation were only imposed because they were supposed to benefit a certain segment of society. If they hadn't been promised in that manner, they wouldn't have been able to pass them without a lot of resistance. And the taxes we pay have not come down at the same time, in fact they have also gone up, so where is our benefit?
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Old 08-09-2014, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Works for me, too, but the problem is these increases in overall revenue generation were only imposed because they were supposed to benefit a certain segment of society. If they hadn't been promised in that manner, they wouldn't have been able to pass them without a lot of resistance. And the taxes we pay have not come down at the same time, in fact they have also gone up, so where is our benefit?
Oh I get the complaint that politicians didn't honor their promises, this is nothing new. My point is no matter how much money the casinos make, and they are like all businesses and in it to make money, it's still a good deal for the state and us taxpayers. To answer your last question taxes would have gone up even more without this casino money. And again there are indirect benefits such as restaurant and hotel spending which trickles down to more taxes coming in.
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Old 08-09-2014, 04:33 PM
 
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Oh I get the complaint that politicians didn't honor their promises, this is nothing new. My point is no matter how much money the casinos make, and they are like all businesses and in it to make money, it's still a good deal for the state and us taxpayers. To answer your last question taxes would have gone up even more without this casino money. And again there are indirect benefits such as restaurant and hotel spending which trickles down to more taxes coming in.
Yes they would have.

Remember O' Malley's first year when there had to be a special Legislative session to deal with the $1B structural deficit carried over from Glendenning due to the Thornton Plan? It was sold as a budget cutting exercise That session ended up adding $1.5B in new spending instead of any cuts.

Then there was the so-called Doomsday Budget a few years ago which only increased spending from the previous year by 8% instead of 13%.
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Old 08-09-2014, 09:11 PM
 
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Oh I get the complaint that politicians didn't honor their promises, this is nothing new. My point is no matter how much money the casinos make, and they are like all businesses and in it to make money, it's still a good deal for the state and us taxpayers. To answer your last question taxes would have gone up even more without this casino money. And again there are indirect benefits such as restaurant and hotel spending which trickles down to more taxes coming in.
If an increase in taxes were put to a vote to the people and they did not tout that "It's for education" or 'It's for the children", do you really think the people would pass it? If they just said they need it to increase spending, I think right about now they would have a hard time getting an increase in taxation.
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Old 08-09-2014, 10:47 PM
 
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Everywhere there's a mall, there's going to unfortunately be crime. However, I've been starting to notice that there are a lot of arrests at Arundel Mills because of parents leaving their children in the car for hours to go do stuff in the casino. Also, just recently, someone was arrested for leaving an elderly in the car. It is very saddening. The area itself isn't too bad though. I've been hearing the schools complaint a lot too. A lot of my colleagues at South River have been complaining about the same thing. Our media center hasn't been updated since the school opened its doors back around the late 70's or early 80's. And according to staff that have been there for a long time, this is a project they've been trying to get for the past several years. I also hear that another high school in the county (Glen Burnie, I think) is in poor condition. But as far as school facilities, most of the Anne Arundel schools are okay. I've seen worse. I think they should put some funding into more magnet programs and things like that if they have enough money after desperately needed construction projects. So I guess the casino money ISN'T really helping schools. Its helping the state.
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Old 08-10-2014, 01:11 PM
 
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Then there was the so-called Doomsday Budget a few years ago which only increased spending from the previous year by 8% instead of 13%.
Correct, and Democrats touted it as a "5% cut".

The cognitive dissonance is amazing.
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Old 08-10-2014, 01:13 PM
 
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If an increase in taxes were put to a vote to the people and they did not tout that "It's for education" or 'It's for the children", do you really think the people would pass it? If they just said they need it to increase spending, I think right about now they would have a hard time getting an increase in taxation.
It's always supposedly "for the children."
Anytime you hear that phrase inserted into a sentence...be very wary.
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Old 08-11-2014, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Agreed. But let's not pretend this is unique to Maryand and/or Democrats. This is what politicians do.

Again I still don't understand the problem. We realized $700 million in taxes from the casinos and that does not even count the trickle down tax revenues from hotels etc. That number will continue to grow. So it wasn't all for education as promised, I get the rub here. But it's stil good for the state.

Very good.
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