Maryland a NORTHEASTERN state (Baltimore: 2013, areas, location)

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by andrew_s

Yeah its funny how different the weather can be in PA vs MD. PA is the start of continental weather and MD being humid subtropical. Its also the reason why we get a fraction of the snow PA and up gets save for garret county but thats way up in the mountains. My buddies cousin comes down to MD twice a year for a group camping trip in the mountains and he lives about 1.5 hours north of where we stay. He always comments on the temp difference or weather in general being different just 1.5 hours south of him.

As for culture the only place that is similar in culture is true northern VA, western MD, WV and southwest PA. But IMHO PA west of philly doesnt feel northeastern to me and has much better ties with Appalachia and Midwestern culture.

Yeah, MD is similar to PA in that regard, sharing the Appalachian culture. It's not Southern or Northeastern; it's unique.

BTW, has anyone noticed that Baltimore and Pittsburgh are inverse versions of each other?

[Deluusions]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

Yeah, MD is similar to PA in that regard, sharing the Appalachian culture. It's not Southern or Northeastern; it's unique.

BTW, has anyone noticed that Baltimore and Pittsburgh are inverse versions of each other?

I've heard Philly, not Pittsburgh.

[snatale1]

Originally Posted by southbound_295

Don't go by the feds. Their departments don't talk to each other. The National Archives says that Maryland is MidAtlantic.

Because it is! Only when you take away the Mid Atlantic title away and go strictly on North and Southeast can you call MD the Northeast.

[andrew_s]

Originally Posted by snatale1

Because it is! Only when you take away the Mid Atlantic title away and go strictly on North and Southeast can you call MD the Northeast.

The only northeast here is transplanted or manufactured. Its a facade that was imported and not endemic to the state.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

Then it that case Maryland is "South" Mid-Atlantic because it certainly isn't culturally, linguistically, ethnically, or even climatically like New England. At all. Can anyone honestly say there's a "transition" point in MD in which New England aspects are seen? Come on.

You still don't understand it.:smack.

[BigCityDreamer]

Originally Posted by andrew_s

The only northeast here is transplanted or manufactured. Its a facade that was imported and not endemic to the state.

It doesn't really matter. When a state has certain characteristics - whether it is from tradition, influence or infiltration - that is its overall identity.

The balance of wealth and power has been shifting to the mid-Atlantic region for a long time now. It is no longer what it used to be.

[BajanYankee]

Originally Posted by Deluusions

I've heard Philly, not Pittsburgh.

I've heard the Pittsburgh comparison before. I think he says that because both cities have a strong Appalachia connection but sit on opposite sides of the Mason-Dixon.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

I've heard the Pittsburgh comparison before. I think he says that because both cities have a strong Appalachia connection but sit on opposite sides of the Mason-Dixon.

Part of the Pittsburgh/Baltimore connection was because both were industrial (steelmaking mostly) and railroad towns which had a lot of in migration when the country industrialized.

[EddieOlSkool]

And what exactly makes it Northeastern, snatale1?

Not demographics
Not culture
Not linguistics (don't use the Philly argument as linguistic maps place both Baltimore and Philly within Midland parameters)
Not geography (it's in the lower half of the country even if the mason dixon line never existed)
Not climate
Not governmental structure
Not voting patterns (Whites are mostly Republican and most Democrat votes come from federal employees and Blacks)
Not the confederate monuments and state song that you never see in the Northeast

[andrew_s]

Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer

It doesn't really matter. When a state has certain characteristics - whether it is from tradition, influence or infiltration - that is its overall identity.

The balance of wealth and power has been shifting to the mid-Atlantic region for a long time now. It is no longer what it used to be.

By this definition the south no longer exists in most states. This isnt a north vs south issue rather just coming of the times....and times they are a changin'. The same things yall describe as "Northeast" Are rampant in most southern states in the mid to upper south but mostly coastal south.

But the fact still remains there are stark differences between Maryland and the northeast and even greater differences then say New England.