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Old 04-17-2016, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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Again different is not always better. And again the conversation is Trump, Obama is not running. Please stay on point. Trump does not have the judgement, temperament, or any form of Government experience. Even his own party is trying to figure out what to do with him. A recent Gallop shows 33 percent approve and 60 percent disapprove of this side show act and it clearly shows he has no chance.
Where was this statement eight years ago? Sure, he is not running now. Let's use the rest of your paragraph with the names changed and see how it sounds:

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And again the conversation is Obama, Bush is not running. Please stay on point. Obama does not have the judgement, temperament, or any form of Government experience. Even his own party is trying to figure out what to do with him. A recent Gallop shows 33 percent approve and 60 percent disapprove of this side show act and it clearly shows he has no chance.
Sounds like what a lot of Republicans were saying about Obama at the time. And look at what Obama's lack of experience has given us. If you don't see it, then you have your political blinders on already, and detailing his failings won't convince you otherwise.
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Old 04-17-2016, 07:26 PM
 
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Unfortunately I agree with you. Because I dislike Trump so much does not mean I'm in love with any of the other candidates. Bernie's ideas appeal to me but where the money will come from is a very legit question.
It will come from producers. Suckers like you and me who live responsibly and frugally while working 40-45 hours a week (plus commutes if applicable) will be paying the way for lazy deadbeats to sit around idly, engaged in nefarious activities, breeding on your and my dime, and still making more than what many hard working responsible people make depending on how many kids they can pop out.

I'm tired of paying for deadbeat slugs to take advantage of people like me who ARE being responsible. I'm just now getting around to owning a home (should have 5 years ago) where then I'll be able to start a family.

Are the slugs living large? Yep. Will they ever be rich or have assets? No of course not, because they're not responsible, they're not frugal, and they do not have forward planning capacity. But then again the socialists do not want them to ever get off the welfare plantation, because as long as they remain poor, ignorant, irresponsible, etc. they can be used as bargaining chips.

And before someone accuses me of supporting corporate welfare (which I know would happen without this disclaimer) you should know that I absolutely do not. Past posts of mine will indicate this. As a veteran I saw first hand how horrendous all the graft and corruption is, and I likely saw 0.0001% of it, and I only experienced first hand that small part of the neocon/Israeli war machine and how the rotten evil doers get rich off of it. Graft is graft. Cronyism is cronyism. Nepotism is nepotism and I hate all of it. Mass graves for the lot of 'em.

And if the "Well then uhhh you must support corporate welfare" strawman is your only 'argument' then you need to take a look at how the system is being abused in other places. It's endemic, and because it's endemic is exactly why someone like Trump has a viable chance of sitting in the oval office.

And for those of you who think NAFTA and the TPP are good for us, you're delusional. Any so-called "economist" who goes on the TeeVee proclaiming the benefits of these things is nothing more than a paid shill. All of them are. Toss your TV out the window by the way. Rant Paused.
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Old 04-18-2016, 05:00 AM
 
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Well now is everyone's chance make their voice heard.

Early Voting runs from Now thru Thursday 10 AM to 8 PM.

Turnout over the weekend was abismal.

My first question from now on to people that complain will be

Did You Vote?

If you don't vote you shouldn't complain
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Old 04-20-2016, 07:09 PM
 
Location: USA
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I wouldn't vote for that lunatic if he was the last man on earth, and the same goes for Cruz, or any of the other bigoted nuts who now control the wreckage of the Republican party.

Trump is not a conservative: he's a raging narcissist who's pandering to the lowest common denominator; people who hate "those people" because they are different and people who are nuts enough to think kicking out all of "those people" and "gettin' rid of guberment" is somehow going to "make America great again." More like "make America hate again..." Trump has no plan for the nation - his only plan is how to maximize his benefits from this experience. And if that meant America was reduced to a literally smoldering crater, he would not care. It boggles the mind that people are going to vote for this swindling crook who's only "business skill" is saving himself while letting everyone else burn - because that's what we want from a leader, apparently?!

Of course, you could vote for Cruz... if you're into Bible-pounding loons with similar bigotry as Trump and who actually think they are "anointed by God" to turn this nation into some sort of Christian theocracy that also panders to the rich - because Jesus loved the rich, hated the poor, and was obsessed with guns and what happens in the bedroom, or so goes the Far-Right edition of the Bible, apparently.

So, yeah - Caligula or Pharaoh. That's what 8+ years of mind-numbing hatred peddled by the right-wing media has brought us. All because about 1/3 the nation wants to kill what they don't understand (non-whites, non-Christians, non-straights, etc.) and because they are afraid of "socialism" while being ignorant enough to think that places like Russia and China are socialist... or that democratic socialism has anything in common with communism... which, by the way, neither Russia or China ever were.

The ultimate irony is that Hillary is a terrible candidate - and she's still a far superior choice since starting WW3 or committing "ethnic cleansing" based on religion, race, sexuality, etc. is not on her "to do" list. If the Republicans lose this election - and I pray they do given their horrible candidates and even worse behavior displayed by the supporters of those candidates - it is totally on them, since not since the Reagan era has there been such a poor candidate from the Democrats.

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Old 04-20-2016, 08:19 PM
 
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I wouldn't vote for that lunatic if he was the last man on earth, and the same goes for Cruz, or any of the other bigoted nuts who now control the wreckage of the Republican party.

Trump is not a conservative: he's a raging narcissist who's pandering to the lowest common denominator; people who hate "those people" because they are different and people who are nuts enough to think kicking out all of "those people" and "gettin' rid of guberment" is somehow going to "make America great again." More like "make America hate again..." Trump has no plan for the nation - his only plan is how to maximize his benefits from this experience. And if that meant America was reduced to a literally smoldering crater, he would not care. It boggles the mind that people are going to vote for this swindling crook who's only "business skill" is saving himself while letting everyone else burn - because that's what we want from a leader, apparently?!

Of course, you could vote for Cruz... if you're into Bible-pounding loons with similar bigotry as Trump and who actually think they are "anointed by God" to turn this nation into some sort of Christian theocracy that also panders to the rich - because Jesus loved the rich, hated the poor, and was obsessed with guns and what happens in the bedroom, or so goes the Far-Right edition of the Bible, apparently.

So, yeah - Caligula or Pharaoh. That's what 8+ years of mind-numbing hatred peddled by the right-wing media has brought us. All because about 1/3 the nation wants to kill what they don't understand (non-whites, non-Christians, non-straights, etc.) and because they are afraid of "socialism" while being ignorant enough to think that places like Russia and China are socialist... or that democratic socialism has anything in common with communism... which, by the way, neither Russia or China ever were.

The ultimate irony is that Hillary is a terrible candidate - and she's still a far superior choice since starting WW3 or committing "ethnic cleansing" based on religion, race, sexuality, etc. is not on her "to do" list. If the Republicans lose this election - and I pray they do given their horrible candidates and even worse behavior displayed by the supporters of those candidates - it is totally on them, since not since the Reagan era has there been such a poor candidate from the Democrats.
Behold the "tolerant" left.
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Old 04-20-2016, 09:00 PM
 
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The ultimate irony is that Hillary is a terrible candidate - and she's still a far superior choice since starting WW3 or committing "ethnic cleansing" based on religion, race, sexuality, etc. is not on her "to do" list. If the Republicans lose this election - and I pray they do given their horrible candidates and even worse behavior displayed by the supporters of those candidates - it is totally on them, since not since the Reagan era has there been such a poor candidate from the Democrats.
Agree on all counts. I imagine most people will be voting against the truly awful Republican options rather than voting pro Hillary. Never know, though, maybe the Republicans have a contested convention and neither Trump nor Cruz get the nom.
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Old 04-21-2016, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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I wouldn't vote for that lunatic if he was the last man on earth, and the same goes for Cruz, or any of the other bigoted nuts who now control the wreckage of the Republican party.

Trump is not a conservative: he's a raging narcissist who's pandering to the lowest common denominator; people who hate "those people" because they are different and people who are nuts enough to think kicking out all of "those people" and "gettin' rid of guberment" is somehow going to "make America great again." More like "make America hate again..." Trump has no plan for the nation - his only plan is how to maximize his benefits from this experience. And if that meant America was reduced to a literally smoldering crater, he would not care. It boggles the mind that people are going to vote for this swindling crook who's only "business skill" is saving himself while letting everyone else burn - because that's what we want from a leader, apparently?!

Of course, you could vote for Cruz... if you're into Bible-pounding loons with similar bigotry as Trump and who actually think they are "anointed by God" to turn this nation into some sort of Christian theocracy that also panders to the rich - because Jesus loved the rich, hated the poor, and was obsessed with guns and what happens in the bedroom, or so goes the Far-Right edition of the Bible, apparently.

So, yeah - Caligula or Pharaoh. That's what 8+ years of mind-numbing hatred peddled by the right-wing media has brought us. All because about 1/3 the nation wants to kill what they don't understand (non-whites, non-Christians, non-straights, etc.) and because they are afraid of "socialism" while being ignorant enough to think that places like Russia and China are socialist... or that democratic socialism has anything in common with communism... which, by the way, neither Russia or China ever were.

The ultimate irony is that Hillary is a terrible candidate - and she's still a far superior choice since starting WW3 or committing "ethnic cleansing" based on religion, race, sexuality, etc. is not on her "to do" list. If the Republicans lose this election - and I pray they do given their horrible candidates and even worse behavior displayed by the supporters of those candidates - it is totally on them, since not since the Reagan era has there been such a poor candidate from the Democrats.

The P & OC Forum is a few pages down from here.
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Old 04-21-2016, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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I'm not republican (or a liberal). but Trump is an idiot and I can't believe this many Americans are voting for him. His honesty is interesting, but he is by no means fit to be the president. It just shows how messed up and clueless so many people are now.

Cruz is just about as bad as Trump.

Sanders is just about as bad as Trump.

Clinton is just about as bad as Trump.

Kasich is about the only level headed person left running, but nobody seems to care.

So I guess I will be voting for Clinton. I think she will do the least amount of damage, but she will be a terrible president.

Out of 300 million residents in this country, these are the few people we have to vote for?
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Old 04-22-2016, 11:21 AM
 
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I'm not republican (or a liberal). but Trump is an idiot and I can't believe this many Americans are voting for him. His honesty is interesting, but he is by no means fit to be the president. It just shows how messed up and clueless so many people are now.

Cruz is just about as bad as Trump.

Sanders is just about as bad as Trump.

Clinton is just about as bad as Trump.

Kasich is about the only level headed person left running, but nobody seems to care.

So I guess I will be voting for Clinton. I think she will do the least amount of damage, but she will be a terrible president.

Out of 300 million residents in this country, these are the few people we have to vote for?
Hillary isn't "fit" to be President either. She should be in prison.
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Old 04-22-2016, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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The P & OC Forum is a few pages down from here.



This should be addressed to the opening poster, others are simply responding to the question asked.
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