Talbot County council votes to keep Confederate statue (Baltimore, Bethesda: living in, law)

[Chief Sipwiaac]

Originally Posted by The Very Man Himself

You apparently don't understand (or choose to ignore), the difference between*"support of a cause" and being "deliberately provocative".

As to letting it go. Since I first posted the link here, I've done nothing but respond to criticism from you, Westsideboy, and Bus Man, and all I said in that first post, was that the issues identified at the link were a possible downside of the council decision, and that set you off.

All I've done since is to defend against attacks on my opinion. I've not attacked your opinion, for fear that you're suffering from a rural inferiority complex. Maybe you're the one who can't let go.*

I don't need to care about the business impact, in order to support the protestors, and I'm certainly not using that to burnish my SJW credentials, magnificent though they are.

Thank you for the Laurel links, I'll look them up on the interwebs, call in and say hi, next time I'm passing.
Your reference*to my veracity and a Google location name, completely undercuts WSB's point about treating people not posting their actual locations differently, thanks.

Stop with all the posts, I can't rep all of them!

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by The Very Man Himself

You apparently don't understand (or choose to ignore), the difference between*"support of a cause" and being "deliberately provocative".

As to letting it go. Since I first posted the link here, I've done nothing but respond to criticism from you, Westsideboy, and Bus Man, and all I said in that first post, was that the issues identified at the link were a possible downside of the council decision, and that set you off.

All I've done since is to defend against attacks on my opinion. I've not attacked your opinion, for fear that you're suffering from a rural inferiority complex. Maybe you're the one who can't let go.*

I don't need to care about the business impact, in order to support the protestors, and I'm certainly not using that to burnish my SJW credentials, magnificent though they are.

Thank you for the Laurel links, I'll look them up on the interwebs, call in and say hi, next time I'm passing.
Your reference*to my veracity and a Google location name, completely undercuts WSB's point about treating people not posting their actual locations differently, thanks.

No, you weren't "supporting" anything but were complaining about a decision that didn't go your way. You also more than implied that I didn't know what I was talking about concerning small jurisdiction politics.

Here is your first post, ever:
https://www.city-data.com/forum/58943469-post21.html
Your second:
https://www.city-data.com/forum/58944852-post24.html

Then you scolded me.

You have a total of 21 posts, all but one are in this thread. You joined the site on the 19th and immediately went to this thread. So tell me again, who appears to have an agenda?

[The Very Man Himself]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

No, you weren't "supporting" anything but were complaining about a decision that didn't go your way. You also more than implied that I didn't know what I was talking about concerning small jurisdiction politics.

Here is your first post, ever:
https://www.city-data.com/forum/58943469-post21.html
Your second:
https://www.city-data.com/forum/58944852-post24.html

Then you scolded me.

You have a total of 21 posts, all but one are in this thread. You joined the site on the 19th and immediately went to this thread. So tell me again, who appears to have an agenda?

Really, you're surprised that someone from Maryland went to the Maryland Forum?
Whatever next, gambling in the casino?

Clearly, I've gotten under the skin of some people on this thread, particularly those who apparently dislike the idea of "social justice" and are willing to deny others a measure of comfort, but to what purpose and benefit is a mystery to me. All that's being asked is to "move" the statue off public land.
I can only speculate that opposition is because of a fortress Laager mentality similar to apartheid South Africa.
I see you and bus man are contributors to the cesspit that is the P&OC forum. Now I begin to understand.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by The Very Man Himself

Really, you're surprised that someone from Maryland went to the Maryland Forum?
Whatever next, gambling in the casino?

Clearly, I've gotten under the skin of some people on this thread, particularly those who apparently dislike the idea of "social justice" and are willing to deny others a measure of comfort, but to what purpose and benefit is a mystery to me. All that's being asked is to "move" the statue off public land.
I can only speculate that opposition is because of a fortress Laager mentality similar to apartheid South Africa.
I see you and bus man are contributors to the cesspit that is the P&OC forum. Now I begin to understand.

Yeah, the veil is finally coming off. No worries, there are plenty of MD suburban social justice types on here that look down at rural people.

Still, we all get along pretty well most of the time. Don't take it too personally or seriously. You'll fit in great here. Your just a Catagory 1 in a thread that attracted more Catagory 2 people. Stick around and you will find threads where the dynamics are reversed.

[Chief Sipwiaac]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

Yeah, the veil is finally coming off. No worries, there are plenty of MD suburban social justice types on here that look down at rural people.

Still, we all get along pretty well most of the time. Don't take it too personally or seriously. You'll fit in great here. Your just a Catagory 1 in a thread that attracted more Catagory 2 people. Stick around and you will find threads where the dynamics are reversed.

Actually I would say City-data in general is dominated by middle aged to old white conservatives.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by Chief Sipwiaac

Actually I would say City-data in general is dominated by middle aged to old white conservatives.

I don't venture much off this board, sometimes to WV or genealogy, but little else. I would say conservative Marylanders are a bit overreprested in the general MD forum, but that is mostly because the liberal/leftist folks stick to the D.C. burbs and Baltimore forums (traffic is way down there though, IMO.)

Don't mistake that for rural though. How many Western Maryland posters do we have here? How may from the Eastern Shore? I admittedly post often and with some edge here, but most of the time I feel like if I don't represent Western Maryland to the best of my ability, and defend rural Marylanders when I can, nobody else will.

[Chief Sipwiaac]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

I don't venture much off this board, sometimes to WV or genealogy, but little else. I would say conservative Marylanders are a bit overreprested in the general MD forum, but that is mostly because the liberal/leftist folks stick to the D.C. burbs and Baltimore forums (traffic is way down there though, IMO.)

Don't mistake that for rural though. How many Western Maryland posters do we have here? How may from the Eastern Shore? I admittedly post often and with some edge here, but most of the time I feel like if I don't represent Western Maryland to the best of my ability, and defend rural Marylanders when I can, nobody else will.

True, but the attitudes are similar. And NBP isn’t from western MD or the Eastern Shore but identifies with rural Maryland. Personally I don’t think this is a place that caters to people who are 1) young or 2) vaguely left of center, though I still read here.

[bus man]

Originally Posted by The Very Man Himself

Really, you're surprised that someone from Maryland went to the Maryland Forum?
Whatever next, gambling in the casino?

Clearly, I've gotten under the skin of some people on this thread, particularly those who apparently dislike the idea of "social justice" and are willing to deny others a measure of comfort, but to what purpose and benefit is a mystery to me. All that's being asked is to "move" the statue off public land.
I can only speculate that opposition is because of a fortress Laager mentality similar to apartheid South Africa.
I see you and bus man are contributors to the cesspit that is the P&OC forum. Now I begin to understand.

You don't really get under my skin, but you do amuse me with your predictability. As with all too many liberals, you're never far from playing the race card. I support the idea of local residents deciding policy questions in their own counties for themselves, so in your leftist mind I'm begging to implement apartheid right here in Maryland.

It is for you and your ilk that this emoticon was made:

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by Chief Sipwiaac

True, but the attitudes are similar. And NBP isn’t from western MD or the Eastern Shore but identifies with rural Maryland. Personally I don’t think this is a place that caters to people who are 1) young or 2) vaguely left of center, though I still read here.

Keep in mind this is obsentively a relocation forum. People who have lived in and worked in Maryland for longer have more experience to offer an OP looking for information about moving here. We go far afield in our discussions, but traffic from people looking for quick answers to a question about a community make up a large part of the traffic here.

The WV forum is nothing like here. Posts are on topic, or removed. I think our board could use a bit more moderation, but a board that allows some latitude in what topics we cover and some pointed conversation fits Maryland pretty well.

[bufflove]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

You mean the statue destroyed by a mob and tossed into the harbour? I didn't consider illegal destruction of property a "community issue." You are free to make a case for how it is, I guess.

In general I will speak out against Iconoclasty. We tend to look back at those periods in history with great remorse and regret. Whatever evils the people at the time saw in their society are normally muted generations later. The loss of art, literature, history, and so forth denies the people of the future the ability to understand the cultures who were purged. I always keep in mind that as a Christian, it was people of my faith who destroyed the great Library of Alexandria in their attempt to purge the paganism of earlier Roman times. They succeeded in large part, so much of the knowlege, history, and science of the Greco-Roman world was lost forever. It took Europe over 1,000 years to recover.

But anyway, you can see pretty clearly that I respond differently to posts that express the deep rooted opinion that all Confederate symbols should be removed from public ground. More and more of the country is adopting this POV, and Talbot County may vote to do the same. I have less respect for posters who don't state where they live, tip toe around what they believe, try to obscure basic arguments with "well acktually" statements about the sausage making procedures of government. Tell it to me straight and if we agree, we agree. If we disagree, we disagree.

Now you're passing judgment against the ancient world even though you're not ancient?! For shame. No, but seriously, legality is an irrelevant point (I mean, hello, we're talking about a Jim Crow era statue. A LOT of laws have been broken to move this country forward). Either you're entitled to have an opinion on things beyond your tribe or you're not. I think it's perfectly fine you have an opinion on what happened in Baltimore; what's the point of living in a society together if everyone just duct tapes their mouths and sits on their hands? Sharing ideas and opinions is a healthy thing to do. ESPECIALLY among people from different backgrounds/areas.