Talbot County council votes to keep Confederate statue (Baltimore, Silver Spring: to move, beach)

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by The Very Man Himself

"Recent Unpleasantness" is not the only alternative and in the context of US history, it's hardly recent. Why not simply use the most commonly accepted descriptor "Civil War"?
I suspect the trauma is still fresh, for those you reference, because they want it to be fresh, and that's their problem.

Because it makes people like you get their knickers in a twist. C'mon an argument about the War to Destroy Our Way of Life is always entertaining.

[The Very Man Himself]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

Sounds like an interesting research project. Let me know what you find out.

I didn't need to do much research, the council voted in 2004 to allow it. Makes the proposal to now put this one to the people, all the more hypocritical.

Maryland town gets statue of famous abolitionist - Travel - Destination Travel - US and Canada | NBC News

Easton officials have talked about putting a Douglass statue up for about 10 years. After debate, the county council voted in 2004 to allow the statue to be built, but an effort to build it stalled. The Frederick Douglass Honor Society sparked up interest again in 2009, with the goal of having the statue raised in 2010, the town's 300th anniversary. But the sculptor needed more time.

[The Very Man Himself]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

Because it makes people like you get their knickers in a twist. C'mon an argument about the War to Destroy Our Way of Life is always entertaining.

That might be an admission of trolling intent.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by The Very Man Himself

That might be an admission of trolling intent.

Ok noob, scold away.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by The Very Man Himself

I didn't need to do much research, the council voted in 2004 to allow it. Makes the proposal to now put this one to the people, all the more hypocritical.

Maryland town gets statue of famous abolitionist - Travel - Destination Travel - US and Canada | NBC News

Easton officials have talked about putting a Douglass statue up for about 10 years. After debate, the county council voted in 2004 to allow the statue to be built, but an effort to build it stalled. The Frederick Douglass Honor Society sparked up interest again in 2009, with the goal of having the statue raised in 2010, the town's 300th anniversary. But the sculptor needed more time.

It's obvious that the council approving the F.D. statue didn't magically make it appear. They seem to have learned it takes a community effort to decide how to honor important natives of Talbot County. Shame it took Talbot that long to honor F.D. too, but that is a sunk cost at this point.

I am glad they learned from their mistake last time and will let the community directly speak on the issue. This is one of the instances when direct democracy is best. Once you put a statue up, it is hard to take it down. Once it is taken down, it is nearly impossible to put it back up. These types of decisions shouldn't be privy to whoever happens to be in elected office at the time. That is far more variable than the overall large sample size of an entire county voting on the measure.

Also, in 2020, secret ballot is a much better method. Make the woke mobsters doxx and cancel the entire county if they want to throw a little fit over the community's decision. Don't give them the easy target of a few elected officials who would face the unfair reality that voting a certain way would the leftist mob to their doorstep (real or virtual or both.)

Understand that people won't put up with this crap for long. Eventually people will stand back up and assert their rights to publicly disagree with leftist intolerance for opposing viewpoints. I see this as a step in that direction.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

Ok noob, scold away.

Get with the program and called it "The Second American Revolution" like normal people do.

[bufflove]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

It's obvious that the council approving the F.D. statue didn't magically make it appear. They seem to have learned it takes a community effort to decide how to honor important natives of Talbot County. Shame it took Talbot that long to honor F.D. too, but that is a sunk cost at this point.

I am glad they learned from their mistake last time and will let the community directly speak on the issue. This is one of the instances when direct democracy is best. Once you put a statue up, it is hard to take it down. Once it is taken down, it is nearly impossible to put it back up. These types of decisions shouldn't be privy to whoever happens to be in elected office at the time. That is far more variable than the overall large sample size of an entire county voting on the measure.

Also, in 2020, secret ballot is a much better method. Make the woke mobsters doxx and cancel the entire county if they want to throw a little fit over the community's decision. Don't give them the easy target of a few elected officials who would face the unfair reality that voting a certain way would the leftist mob to their doorstep (real or virtual or both.)

Understand that people won't put up with this crap for long. Eventually people will stand back up and assert their rights to publicly disagree with leftist intolerance for opposing viewpoints. I see this as a step in that direction.

I dig "woke mobsters" for flair. I dig "seeking a basic level of political accountability" for accuracy.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

Get with the program and called it "The Second American Revolution" like normal people do.

Dammit, you used my next one.

You know this thread is really getting strained. I think we need a song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kViPyqBms00

[bufflove]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

It's obvious that the council approving the F.D. statue didn't magically make it appear. They seem to have learned it takes a community effort to decide how to honor important natives of Talbot County. Shame it took Talbot that long to honor F.D. too, but that is a sunk cost at this point.

I am glad they learned from their mistake last time and will let the community directly speak on the issue. This is one of the instances when direct democracy is best. Once you put a statue up, it is hard to take it down. Once it is taken down, it is nearly impossible to put it back up. These types of decisions shouldn't be privy to whoever happens to be in elected office at the time. That is far more variable than the overall large sample size of an entire county voting on the measure.

Also, in 2020, secret ballot is a much better method. Make the woke mobsters doxx and cancel the entire county if they want to throw a little fit over the community's decision. Don't give them the easy target of a few elected officials who would face the unfair reality that voting a certain way would the leftist mob to their doorstep (real or virtual or both.)

Understand that people won't put up with this crap for long. Eventually people will stand back up and assert their rights to publicly disagree with leftist intolerance for opposing viewpoints. I see this as a step in that direction.

It's a bit weird to blow up at the idea people from Baltimore/DC area have an opinion about Talbot's decision before promptly writing a four paragraph opinion about Talbot's decision, no?

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by bufflove

I dig "woke mobsters" for flair. I dig "seeking a basic level of political accountability" for accuracy.

Lol, fair enough on my comment. I feel like I owe the left nothing right now and don't mind getting in my digs.

Basic political accountability takes place at the polling place. There is no room in a democracy for the level of doxxing, incivility, and actual destruction of property and violence we are seeing coming from the left right now.

Politics used to be something Americans took interest in every 4 years, maybe 2 for the most involved, before we got back to our normal lives. Now politics, especially these race/identity political issues are becoming lifestyle choices and full time jobs. If you like the way politics is trending, you can have it. I'm on the record as hating it on both sides, although I see one side as the worse evil.

But really, none of you are curious as to my personal opinion? How I would vote? I'd vote to tear the thing down in my county. My family were Pro-Union. I had two great-great uncles die in Andersonville. Between the war and the mines we lost an entire generation of men, and it had a very negative effect on the family structure and standard of living for my ancestors up until really my dad's generation. I have NO personal love for the Confederacy.

That said, I don't feel I have any right to tell other people how to honor their ancestors. The Civil War was horrific for everyone involved. We honor the dead because they are our ancestors, and in case of most of us, those ancestors were pawns in the games of Kings, not horrible monsters who should be purged. I refuse to let the little guy get forgotten in his own community because some leftists 100s of miles away might be offended.