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Old 07-10-2009, 03:28 PM
 
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If a child is injured in an accident and the gov't proves that the child's injuries occurred as a result of willfull negligence of proper restraint, the parent or guardian may be charged. I think this would be more simple to understand and there is no enforcement ability for the gov't unless there is harm. It puts the requirement of proof on the gov't.
So, instead of requiring proper protection for kids, we let parents do whatever they want, and THEN, if a child is hurt, it gets turned into yet one more unnecessary court case [where the gov't has to prove negligence on the part of the parent]. Congrats Clint, what a great way to protect kids.

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(I don't agree with laws requiring adults to wear safety belts) This is the way I think the cell phone/distracted driving laws should work too
One of these days you may yet be thankful that you're required to wear a seat belt, esp. if you have a head-on collision with another vehicle [perhaps driven by someone distracted by a cellphone]. Or maybe a head-on with someone who's had one too many martini...but I suppose you think the DWI law is unnecessary & burdensome, too.

I started regularly wearing my seat belt when I was stationed on a military base, mostly because the seat belt law on military bases [those bastions of liberalism] are so strictly enforced.
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Old 07-10-2009, 03:36 PM
 
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I used to live in Maryland and now live in Western Loudoun in Virginia. I would never again live in Maryland, too many taxes, and too many silly rules and laws. It's cheaper, and freer, to live in VA.
Denton, as I've said more than once on this thread, VA is not always cheaper than MD. I commute regularly from Frederick to Leesburg, and always fill up on the MD side. That's because the gas prices on the MD side are [usually] about 10-15 cents less.

I also lived in Arlington, Fairfax and Loudoun counties for 14 yrs, and the thing I hated more than anything else was VA's requirement for a yearly car inspection [not to mention their expensive, personal property car tax]. In comparison, MD's system is a breeze.

On a personal level, I feel much freer and happier in MD than I ever did in VA. Now, someone else may feel differently, and that's cool. The nice part is, everybody gets to choose where they live.
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Old 07-10-2009, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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I moved out of there because I mainly felt like my personal SPACE was becoming limited. But I agree about all the regulations/laws, etc. Unfortunately, it's getting to be more and more like that here in North Carolnia too.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Between Frederick and Westminster
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The nice part is, everybody gets to choose where they live.
egggsactly! While there are certain things I don't like, overall I love Md, especially the area where I live. If I hated it as much as some people do, I'd move. Life is too short to hate your job or your location.
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Old 07-11-2009, 08:29 AM
 
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Fair enough.

If a child is injured in an accident and the gov't proves that the child's injuries occurred as a result of willfull negligence of proper restraint, the parent or guardian may be charged. Proper restraint means: birth up to 20#s & <1 year old= rear facing child seat , 20# to 40# front facing seat, 40# to 16 years of age = safety belt.
(I don't agree with laws requiring adults to wear safety belts)

I appreciate you taking the time to lay out your position, but I have to completely disagree with you with respect to your opinion on child safety seats. Children are in no way protected by punishing parents after the children have been injured. That makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Now, although I think that all adults should wear seat belts, I do agree with you that we shouldn't have laws mandating such use. We don't need Big Government passing laws to protect us from ourselves. (See, I'm not as liberal as you might have thought.) However, children do need to be protected from the reckless actions (or inactions) by their parents and I have no problem with laws mandating child safety seats and seat belt use for minors.

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I think this would be more simple to understand and there is no enforcement ability for the gov't unless there is harm. It puts the requirement of proof on the gov't. This is the way I think the cell phone/distracted driving laws should work too.
Now, you've completely lost my support with this one. Taken to its logical conclusion, that would mean that anyone should be able to run a stop sign or a red light and not be ticketed unless they caused an accident by doing so. Similarly, all speed limits could be disobeyed - - in fact - - we wouldn't even need speed limits - - because no one should be charged unless "harm" was caused by the speeding vehicle. In fact, there would be no need for any traffic laws; if an accident happened to occur, then the driver would be charged for causing harm.

I'm sorry, but whether you like it or not, society cannot function without rules. You can't just wait for "harm" to occur and then punish the person at fault.
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Old 07-11-2009, 11:11 AM
 
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People are very passionate about this subject matter. Guess I asked a crucial question. I appreciate all the posts in response to my question.
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Old 07-12-2009, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Germantown, MD
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People are very passionate about this subject matter. Guess I asked a crucial question. I appreciate all the posts in response to my question.
Are you kidding me? I'm surprised it's still only 6 pages long. Maryland's so-called "Socialist Rule" seems to be one of the most hotly debated topics when it comes to the state. It sure brings the extreme right-wing nutjobs such as "Tom Jefferson" out of the woodwork but if you brought this topic to the Jersey, Mass, DC, or California boards you'd get the same results.

MD way have strict regulations and taxes galore, but there are also many benefits to living here rather than a free-for-all conservative state. Remember the taxes do actually go somewhere, and that's the main reason Maryland public schools were ranked as the best in the nation this year by Education Week and another publication. Also, it's not everywhere in Maryland that's extremly expensive to live, rural areas on the Lower Eastern Shore and Western MD (past Frederick county) have fiscally conservative local governments and the cost-of-living is much cheaper than Central MD, and these days most of Southern MD. Plus, when you live in the wealthiest state in the country, you should expect to be bled dry. Just look at NJ and CT (the 2nd and 3rd wealthiest).
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Old 07-12-2009, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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I remember reading about that a while ago, that police were writing tickets for people leaving their unattended cars running. Like you said, they did it in response to the insane amount of car thefts. I haven't seen any more recent numbers, but in 2005, there were 18,000+ cars stolen in the county (which works out to about 1 every 30 minutes)
DC also has a law on the books regarding unattended idling cars. I believe that one of the concerns here was that the drivers may be keeping their get-away cars running while committing a criminal act such as dealing or stealing.
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Old 07-12-2009, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Warner Robins, GA
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Are you kidding me? I'm surprised it's still only 6 pages long. Maryland's so-called "Socialist Rule" seems to be one of the most hotly debated topics when it comes to the state. It sure brings the extreme right-wing nutjobs such as "Tom Jefferson" out of the woodwork but if you brought this topic to the Jersey, Mass, DC, or California boards you'd get the same results.

MD way have strict regulations and taxes galore, but there are also many benefits to living here rather than a free-for-all conservative state. Remember the taxes do actually go somewhere, and that's the main reason Maryland public schools were ranked as the best in the nation this year by Education Week and another publication. Also, it's not everywhere in Maryland that's extremly expensive to live, rural areas on the Lower Eastern Shore and Western MD (past Frederick county) have fiscally conservative local governments and the cost-of-living is much cheaper than Central MD, and these days most of Southern MD. Plus, when you live in the wealthiest state in the country, you should expect to be bled dry. Just look at NJ and CT (the 2nd and 3rd wealthiest).
For the most part the only places that are affordable in MD are places where there is nowhere to work... Southern MD used to have access to good jobs and cheap cost of living but it is no longer affordable to live there either...
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Old 07-17-2009, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Bodymore, Murderland
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To the OP: Don't come here unless you're willing to check your freedom at the border. You will regret it. It sucks to high heaven. I plan on moving to PA.
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