07-14-2010, 03:51 PM
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It's a choice for someone to become an American citizen.
What is the big deal about saying The Pledge? This is The United States of America! Why do it's citizens have to be ruled by these people who don't appreciate the country they live in or believe in God? If you don't believe in God, then just stand there and be patient! The big, bad Pledge will be over in less than a minute! People should be thankful that this country has so far, "been under God" because if it weren't, I'd hate to think of where we would be now.
I, for one, am very sick of the Suprreme Court. THEY are the first major cause of the downfall of the USA, with their bleeding rules that became law.
07-14-2010, 03:54 PM
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I agree 100%. If I was going to school in another country and the nation's pledge was referencing a different deity, I honestly wouldn't care saying it in a pledge. People need to stop being so sensitive. They can worship their own deity in their own personal time, or simply don't say the pledge. Jesus.
07-14-2010, 04:48 PM
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This is why I thank God I moved from there before I had kids. Still miss the fried clams, though.
07-14-2010, 08:48 PM
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It's a choice for someone to become an American citizen.
I suppose that different wording in the part about renouncing allegiance to any foreign power could resolve the issue you pointed out regarding dual citizenship, but I take that part of the oath to really mean that the person is not going to bear arms against the U.S., and that the person really means to become a fully participating American citizen, not just to be here to make money as long as possible. Dual citizenship is tricky because of mixed loyalties, but then, immigrants who drop their citizenship with their former countries are certainly still going to feel affection for the old country. For that reason, it might seem as if it would not work too well to build a nation with a large immigrant population, but this is why we have historically expected immigrants to really be sure about their loyalty to the U.S. before they become citizens. When we have done it that way, it has actually worked pretty well for a couple of centuries now.
07-15-2010, 07:28 AM
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How can a person be a citizen of two different nations anyway? Doesn't this show some sort of a lack of conviction?
07-15-2010, 07:30 AM
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As far as the Pledge goes, It really always has been more of a way for the school to start the day than anything else. It is a way snap the kids to attention.
07-16-2010, 07:22 AM
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I suppose that different wording in the part about renouncing allegiance to any foreign power could resolve the issue you pointed out regarding dual citizenship, but I take that part of the oath to really mean that the person is not going to bear arms against the U.S., and that the person really means to become a fully participating American citizen, not just to be here to make money as long as possible. Dual citizenship is tricky because of mixed loyalties, but then, immigrants who drop their citizenship with their former countries are certainly still going to feel affection for the old country. For that reason, it might seem as if it would not work too well to build a nation with a large immigrant population, but this is why we have historically expected immigrants to really be sure about their loyalty to the U.S. before they become citizens. When we have done it that way, it has actually worked pretty well for a couple of centuries now .
Even after having taken that pledge, the NY City Bomber who failed in his attempt shows that even then there are those who are out to bring us down.
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As far as the Pledge goes, It really always has been more of a way for the school to start the day than anything else. It is a way snap the kids to attention.
It worked pretty well too, IMO.
07-17-2010, 07:50 AM
Location: Quiet Corner Connecticut
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What is the big deal about saying The Pledge? This is The United States of America! Why do it's citizens have to be ruled by these people who don't appreciate the country they live in or believe in God? If you don't believe in God, then just stand there and be patient! The big, bad Pledge will be over in less than a minute! People should be thankful that this country has so far, "been under God" because if it weren't, I'd hate to think of where we would be now.
I, for one, am very sick of the Suprreme Court. THEY are the first major cause of the downfall of the USA, with their bleeding rules that became law.
I graduated from high school in 2003. Very few people, if any, said the Pledge with conviction. It was more just something of a ritual than actually taking pride in the country. It had become meaningless to us. Most of the time, I never did say it (or follow along when it was done over the pa system). Few if any my classmates did.
I don't think things have changed that drastically in seven years.
07-17-2010, 10:20 AM
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I graduated from high school in 2003. Very few people, if any, said the Pledge with conviction. It was more just something of a ritual than actually taking pride in the country. It had become meaningless to us. Most of the time, I never did say it (or follow along when it was done over the pa system). Few if any my classmates did.
Well I graduated HS in '70 when America was still America and just begining to go downhill ( I think basically because of "us" really). Kids in those days followed rules and obeyed authority for the most part. Even if we "just had to". I was brought up by parents who fought in WWII and were very happy and proud of this country Grandfather fought in WWI too. I may not have appreciated the Pledge when I was young either, most kids don't, but when you get older, those words are ingrained in your mind and heart and if you (not you imparticular just general you...people) are smart enough, they really mean what the words say.
On another note and why I dropped in and not saying that this could only happen in Mass. but I couldn't find an apppropriate thread and don't really want to go into the "real" political forum (cluck, cluck).......
Yesterday on the way to work, I saw a group of ladies out with signs of IMPEACH Obama and a table to get signatures. I stopped of course!
Me thinks the groundswelling of voters is growing and growing. Before I even go out of the yard to work yesterday a neighbor came over to talk politics and was saying he thinks more and more people who are of that persuasion will take it upon themselves to try and get rid of Heir Obama.
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Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Me thinks the groundswelling of voters is growing and growing. Before I even go out of the yard to work yesterday a neighbor came over to talk politics and was saying he thinks more and more people who are of that persuasion will take it upon themselves to try and get rid of Heir Obama.
