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Old 09-16-2010, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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My husband and I are thinking of relocating to the Pioneer Valley from out-of-state, and we're intrigued by a real estate listing for a building in downtown Holyoke that has commercial space downstairs and residential upstairs that's very affordable. It's on High Street near the corner of Suffolk Street.

The question we have is whether this would be a good place to live -- Safe? Pleasant? Could we walk outside at night?

Also, for the commercial space, we would want people to feel comfortable to come down at night and park on the street. Would that happen?

Thanks for any input you can give us.
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Old 09-16-2010, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Massatucky
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Get a security system, CCTV, secure 'buzz-in' entry system, firearms permits, auto-alarms and a pit-bull just so you fit in. Most people leave their cars unlocked so they don't have to replace the glass too often - just let them rifle through your Subaru without having to actually break in. Get one of those removable CD FM units you can take with you. Never leave your GPS out. When your guest arrive have them call 1st so you and your gun and your un-neutered pit bull can meet them out in the street and escort them in. Do the reverse when they leave. You may need to buy some weed or crack from the locals every so often just so they smile and wave at you and ask you "'sup?" instead of simply beating you to a pulp for your cash.

You get what you pay for. It ain't a bargain though.
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Old 09-16-2010, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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How'd you know I have a Subaru?
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Old 09-16-2010, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Massatucky
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Pioneer Valley Standard-Issue People's Car. I have the Forrester.
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Old 09-16-2010, 09:09 PM
 
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And wear your pants down low.
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Old 09-16-2010, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Massatucky
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No one can dispute any of this. We are telling it to you straight up.

The Pioneer Valley aka "Happy Valley" is nice but you want to look at some of the smaller towns out in the hills near Northampton. Northampton is worth checking out.
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Old 09-16-2010, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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I was just looking at listings in Northampton when I stopped to check this forum! Thanks for setting me straight. BTW, I guess we belong in Pioneer Valley -- we also have a Forrester. :-)
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Old 09-17-2010, 06:25 PM
 
Location: East Boston, MA
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I like Holyoke as a a potential for revitalization in the future. It has incredible architecture (though much is covered with bars, cheap facade covers and some is in disrepair) and density that's sort of unique even for New England.

However, gentrification and revitalization are a lengthy process (and a rather formulaic one). No one will argue that Holyoke is at or around rock bottom. Rock bottom means cheap housing (as you discovered) in what is, aesthetically, at least a unique area. Cheap housing and a unique urban area (in a naturally beautiful setting) should be attractive to artists and others looking for cheap digs and workspace. These people attract small businesses that cater to them. These small businesses and the influx of artists attract more like-minded people from out of town who slowly push the riffraff out and drive prices up. As the prices rise along with the "character" of the community and the type of residents, in come the middle and upper class folks who are drawn to the unique flavor of the community and the town becomes gentrified.

It happens all over and it will eventually happen in Holyoke but they're not there yet. I'd look close to Northampton (or out in Pittsfield or even North Adams) for a better opportunity in Western MA at this point in time.
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Old 09-17-2010, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Springfield and brookline MA
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IMHO it would take a nuclear bomb to revitalize downtown Holyoke. It resembles the south bronx circa late 70's early 80's.
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Old 09-18-2010, 04:34 PM
 
Location: AZ
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IMHO it would take a nuclear bomb to revitalize downtown Holyoke. It resembles the south bronx circa late 70's early 80's.

I think I'd take my chances in the Bronx back then,Holyoke is the cesspool of Western Mass.!
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