11-07-2014, 03:25 AM
Location: Purgatory
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I really thought that one was a no-brainer. A nickel today is not like a nickel of 1982 when the the redemption policy initially passed.
When bottles are redeemable the trash virtually picks up itself!
I only saw one commercial and that was AGAINST it. "Most communities have curb side recycling, blah blah blah." But so what? Many don't or you have to actually go to your local dump to bring the bottles there. So guess where they go.... the trash if we're "lucky" or along the streets and ocean if not.
So was it just a combination of voters from very upscale neighborhoods and/or those too cheap to pay a nickel?
FYI- this is also why I think ALL lottery tickets should have a second chance. People would pick them up and "use them" as many pick up bottles for the deposit.
11-07-2014, 04:04 AM
Location: Westwood, MA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Utopian Slums
I really thought that one was a no-brainer. A nickel today is not like a nickel of 1982 when the the redemption policy initially passed.
When bottles are redeemable the trash virtually picks up itself!
I only saw one commercial and that was AGAINST it. "Most communities have curb side recycling, blah blah blah." But so what? Many don't or you have to actually go to your local dump to bring the bottles there. So guess where they go.... the trash if we're "lucky" or along the streets and ocean if not.
So was it just a combination of voters from very upscale neighborhoods and/or those too cheap to pay a nickel?
FYI- this is also why I think ALL lottery tickets should have a second chance. People would pick them up and "use them" as many pick up bottles for the deposit.
My town has curbside recycling. I didn't want a $0.05/bottle tax on curbside recycling, so I voted against it. If curbside recycling weren't widespread I might have voted for it. If you combine all the people who have curbside recycling and all the people that are opposed to any additional tax, you'll see why this question failed. The deposit system made sense when returning your bottles was the only option--it doesn't really make that much sense today.
I don't know why you think that only "upscale" communities have curbside recycling. Boston has single stream recycling in the entire city, not just the fancy zip codes. Chelsea, Everett, and Lynn, for instance, all seem to, as well. Do you have some comprehensive list of cities and towns that don't offer curbside recycling? I'd venture to guess that more urban places would have curbside recycling, whereas more rural and suburban places wouldn't. I do know that Dover and (at least six years ago) Winchester don't have curbside pickup, two of the more upscale neighborhoods.
And, FYI, communities where you have to go to the transfer station often charge per bag. I don't know anyone who separates their trash more thoroughly than my friends who live in a town without curbside pickup.
11-07-2014, 05:01 AM
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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I didn't know which way to vote. I use very few bottles of anything but if I do end up buying something in a bottle I hate having to take the one bottle to the store to get five cents for it. I'll just put it in with the recycling. We don't have curbside recycling in my town so we take it all to the recycling center.
On the other hand, I don't like bottle being thrown by the side of the road or in my front yard.
BTW, I've heard that Wellesley doesn't have curbside recycling.
11-07-2014, 05:15 AM
Location: Massachusetts & Hilton Head, SC
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Wellesley doesn't have trash pick-up, it's private like several other towns.
BTW, there was nothing to limit these deposits to 5 cents, either.
11-07-2014, 06:16 AM
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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This was an anti pollution bill and a no brainer. 5 cents doesn't matter to me or most anyone, but it would get those discarded bottles off the streets / alleys / road sides.
11-07-2014, 07:43 AM
Location: Ohio
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The bill alone won't change people's behaviors. People who throw their returnable cans and bottles in the trash or on the street today are going do the same. If people are in the habit of
not recycling (whether into their own home recycling bin or into a designated box when they are not home), this bill will not change that habit.
Here are a few observations:
When I go into meetings at work, I routinely observe that people will throw their aluminum cans and coke bottles into the trash, EVEN THOUGH there is a recycling box RIGHT NEXT TO the same trash bin.
When my junky neighbor has a late night party and invite their drunkie friends to hog up the entire street. What we'd find the next day is beer cans and bottles in the lawns. I doubt these thugs will bother to recycle the cans and bottles that they junk on people's lawn, bill or no bill.
So, I think the bill is just an open door to hike the 5c fee and make it more cumbersome for people who already do their part to recycle. Personally, I already recycle as many items as I can into the curbside recycling bin at home and when I'm out, I do my best to either save the bottle till I get home or put it in an available recycling box. If I have to now collect these bottles, bring them to a machine at the store, wait in line, stick each one in the machine 1 by 1... that's a lot more trouble and there isn't any more bottles getting recycled than before.
11-07-2014, 07:48 AM
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Quote:
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mmyk72
The bill alone won't change people's behaviors. People who throw their returnable cans and bottles in the trash or on the street today are going do the same. If people are in the habit of
not recycling (whether into their own home recycling bin or into a designated box when they are not home), this bill will not change that habit.
Here are a few observations:
When I go into meetings at work, I routinely observe that people will throw their aluminum cans and coke bottles into the trash, EVEN THOUGH there is a recycling box RIGHT NEXT TO the same trash bin.
When my junky neighbor has a late night party and invite their drunkie friends to hog up the entire street. What we'd find the next day is beer cans and bottles in the lawns. I doubt these thugs will bother to recycle the cans and bottles that they junk on people's lawn, bill or no bill.
So, I think the bill is just an open door to hike the 5c fee and make it more cumbersome for people who already do their part to recycle. Personally, I already recycle as many items as I can into the curbside recycling bin at home and when I'm out, I do my best to either save the bottle till I get home or put it in an available recycling box. If I have to now collect these bottles, bring them to a machine at the store, wait in line, stick each one in the machine 1 by 1... that's a lot more trouble and there isn't any more bottles getting recycled than before.
This is true, but those bottles, when they have value, will get picked up or picked out and recycled. When there is no deposit, they don't get picked up. The purchaser may not pick them up, but there are hoards of people that do pick them up. The end result is what is important.
11-07-2014, 07:54 AM
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I didn't want to pay a tax on a bottle that goes into my curbside recycling bin.
11-07-2014, 07:57 AM
Location: Needham, MA
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Quote:
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jayrandom
My town has curbside recycling. I didn't want a $0.05/bottle tax on curbside recycling, so I voted against it. If curbside recycling weren't widespread I might have voted for it. If you combine all the people who have curbside recycling and all the people that are opposed to any additional tax, you'll see why this question failed. The deposit system made sense when returning your bottles was the only option--it doesn't really make that much sense today.
I was absolutely against it as well for same reason. In fact, I think they should repeal the current bottle deposit law. As you said, it's antiquated in that it was put in place when no one knew about recycling. I remember we had to go across town to a bottle redemption center to return them. Now, every supermarket and liquor store has bottle return areas. Plus, the towns that have municipal trash pick up have separate recycling bins for all the residents and towns that have transfer stations like Wellesley, Needham, etc. have recycling areas as well. I have private trash pick up and my garbologist gives me recycling bins.
If anything, our state needs to be spending money on educating people about recycling and increasing the convenience factor of recycling your bottles. If it's easy and people are aware of the consequences of not doing it, then bottles will be recycled.
I'm already donating tons of money every year to the state through the bottle deposit law (I drink way too much soda) because I recycle through curbside pick up. Plus, I pay for that service. I wasn't interested in being hit with another fee designed to supposedly encourage me to do something I already am doing.
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11-07-2014, 08:03 AM
Location: Cape Cod
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I heard that 80% of households recycle voluntarily. I think people are tired of the Gov. telling them what to do and tacking on yet another "TAX" which the bottle bill would be was just too much. I say it was a tax because if the bottle or can is not redeemed guess who gets to keep that 5 cents, the state which already gives them millions per year.
I'm glad it didn't pass since I don't want ot have to pay extra money when I buy a bottle of juice or a case of water. It is a pain to have to store the empty beer and soda cans then drive them to the redemption center which is in another town for me. I also don't have curbside pickup so I store my recyling items in 2 trash barrels and a big box then drive it to the other side of town to the transfer station.
I hate seeing trash on the side of roads so maybe the lazy slobs who litter should be targeted.
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People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)