SS HS BANS Trump this Friday (Hanover: best place, roach, place)

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by boulevardofdef

Something that really confused me over the course of the 2016 campaign, confused me far more when Trump won, and honestly continues to confuse me even though I've given it a lot of serious thought, is how Trump could have won when the values he represents are so much in conflict with the values I was raised with. I'm not talking about liberal values or conservative values -- I'm talking about what I thought were just plain old American values. I was raised in the Northeast, but I've asked a lot of people who were raised in more socially conservative areas in middle America, and they all say they got the same messages growing up.

I'm sure the vast majority of people who supported trump also have the same values. So why did they vote for him?


Well, when you live in the Northeast, you have it pretty good and can enjoy spending your time solving social justice issues, or improving the environment and such. I'll be blunt here and say that it really makes no difference to my well-being regarding if I outsource my part manufacturing to China, or some small town in Ohio. I still hop in my new car and drive home to my big house with my employment at low risk.


Having BEEN out to that small town in Ohio to see the plant, you can easily see why people ignored Trumps a-hole values, and voted for him. If that plant shuts down, there's just not much else left for people to do. What really stood out to me is what Hillary gave that speech in PA about shutting down the coal plants to improve the environment. Hey, great for you and me right? But what if you work at that coal plant?


When you are in danger of losing your house, what bathroom a person uses is very low on your list of priorities. Of course, it doesn't mean you don't support transgender rights. You just support your livelihood a bit more.

[lrfox]

Originally Posted by bolehboleh

Can we see a redacted version of the memo? That way no one gets in trouble?

Yes - with or without Cape Cod Todd obtaining it and posting it. Since it's a public school and the alleged memo was a printed or electronic communication between administration to staff, it's a matter of public record and it can be requested from the town (here's the form- it doesn't look like there's a way to do it online). There may be a small fee involved (like $.25 for the printing/paper + postage and stationary cost). All you'd have to do is request a recent memo to staff at Hanover High School including "Donald Trump" "Inauguration" "Election", or any other key words you feel might narrow it down. I believe they'd have to turn it over within 30 days (and respond to you sooner than that).

If you really feel like this is a worthy cause, that's your avenue to the truth. You could always just email the school and ask too (it helps to say you're filing a PRR if they don't forward it so they know they'll have to turn it over regardless- sometimes it's easier just to forward it along).

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

I'm sure the vast majority of people who supported trump also have the same values. So why did they vote for him?


Well, when you live in the Northeast, you have it pretty good and can enjoy spending your time solving social justice issues, or improving the environment and such. I'll be blunt here and say that it really makes no difference to my well-being regarding if I outsource my part manufacturing to China, or some small town in Ohio. I still hop in my new car and drive home to my big house with my employment at low risk.

Not all in the Northeast have it so nice. Look at the state of Maine for instance, outside grater Portland most of the state has been in economic decline for a good 30 years now. Every year (or more) you hear about another paper mill shutting down. Those same areas went for Trump (most of the state was painted red despite Hillary winning statewide due to most of the population living around Portland and the southern part)! Looking at NH, NY and PA; it is very much the same story. Even MA has many towns that went for Trump, and they typically represented the same faction of those "forgotten" by the new globalist economy.


While there were certainly those who voted Trump for different reasons, this election was clearly a case of the haves vs. have nots. It was reflected one's personal economic outlook, regardless of whether it was in the Northeast, Rust Belt, etc.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by Bruins_Fan

This is a Forum. A place for discussion. This is not a courtroom where we all have to present hard evidence to back-up our opinions and beliefs. Doesn't matter anyway, anyone can photoshop a document in 5 minutes these days.

We all have our divergent opinions. I know I won't change a libs mind anymore than they will change mine. Ain't happening. It is what it is.

How does one have a discussion without proper context? You can't ... reliably. We asked for context and OP didn't or couldn't deliver, which places it into a large bucket of "unsubstantiated claims [with heavy bias]". The younger cohort recognizes this as " posting".

I say this not as a trolling "lib", but as a citizen and forum user who is tired of both ideological vacuums perpetuating rubbish as fact.

Where is OP? Showing homes in Chatham during this beautiful Nor'easter? "Barb, you're going to want to see this stunning south facing view ... hold on to your ascot!"

[Bruins_Fan]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

How does one have a discussion without proper context? You can't ... reliably. We asked for context and OP didn't or couldn't deliver, which places it into a large bucket of "unsubstantiated claims [with heavy bias]". The younger cohort recognizes this as "sh_t posting".

I say this not as a trolling "lib", but as a citizen and forum user who is tired of both ideological vacuums perpetuating rubbish as fact.

Where is OP? Showing homes in Chatham during this beautiful Nor'easter? "Barb, you're going to want to see this stunning south facing view ... hold on to your ascot!"

Look, I'd love to see the memo. But just because he apparently can't produce it doesn't mean I won't comment or voice an opinion. I pick and choose which threads I read and comment on. If I find a topic too far fetched or upsetting, I just skip it. No one is making us read or comment on what we may feel are garbage posts. Kinda like changing the channel on TV, I just move on.

Some controversial threads will have hard facts, some won't. I don't lose any sleep over it. As much as I would love to have full control over these things, I don't. Like I said, it's a Forum. I've yet to see a forum without alot of crap posts to wade through.

[CaseyB]

Originally Posted by lrfox

Yes - with or without Cape Cod Todd obtaining it and posting it. Since it's a public school and the alleged memo was a printed or electronic communication between administration to staff, it's a matter of public record and it can be requested from the town (here's the form- it doesn't look like there's a way to do it online). There may be a small fee involved (like $.25 for the printing/paper + postage and stationary cost). All you'd have to do is request a recent memo to staff at Hanover High School including "Donald Trump" "Inauguration" "Election", or any other key words you feel might narrow it down. I believe they'd have to turn it over within 30 days (and respond to you sooner than that).

If you really feel like this is a worthy cause, that's your avenue to the truth. You could always just email the school and ask too (it helps to say you're filing a PRR if they don't forward it so they know they'll have to turn it over regardless- sometimes it's easier just to forward it along).

Well, there you go. This is a great solution.

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Not all in the Northeast have it so nice. Look at the state of Maine for instance, outside grater Portland most of the state has been in economic decline for a good 30 years now. Every year (or more) you hear about another paper mill shutting down. Those same areas went for Trump (most of the state was painted red despite Hillary winning statewide due to most of the population living around Portland and the southern part)! Looking at NH, NY and PA; it is very much the same story. Even MA has many towns that went for Trump, and they typically represented the same faction of those "forgotten" by the new globalist economy.

I'm actually in and around Portland a lot, and it's true. There are areas where it's been in economic decline for the good part of the decade, with run down houses, old cars, and just no new business to provide good jobs. Plenty of Fast food joints though. I remember when I was in Ohio not too long ago, it was fast food joint after fast food joint, with not much else. Factories and such that close down, don't come back, and the next best thing is the local gas station or flipping burgers or repairing cars out of your own driveway.

[Cantabridgienne]

Originally Posted by Bruins_Fan

Look, I'd love to see the memo. But just because he apparently can't produce it doesn't mean I won't comment or voice an opinion. I pick and choose which threads I read and comment on. If I find a topic too far fetched or upsetting, I just skip it. No one is making us read or comment on what we may feel are garbage posts. Kinda like changing the channel on TV, I just move on.

Some controversial threads will have hard facts, some won't. I don't lose any sleep over it. As much as I would love to have full control over these things, I don't. Like I said, it's a Forum. I've yet to see a forum without alot of crap posts to wade through.

So....you just accept at face value that it exists and reads exactly as the OP said? Well, I guess if a guy on the internet said it, it must be true!

[Partial Observer]

Originally Posted by Cantabridgienne

So....you just accept at face value that it exists and reads exactly as the OP said? Well, I guess if a guy on the internet said it, it must be true!

It's not just that a guy on the Internet said, but rather that the guy offered up information that supports his conservative viewpoint. It's called "confirmation bias."


If the OP had said that he heard a Massachusetts school was forcing students to salute a cardboard cutout of Trump, neither CaseyB nor Bruins Fan would have defended him for just passing along useful information as a springboard for discussion. That type of information wouldn't fit their preconceived notions that the schools are pushing liberal agendas.

[CaseyB]

Originally Posted by Partial Observer

If the OP had said that he heard a Massachusetts school was forcing students to salute a cardboard cutout of Trump, neither CaseyB nor Bruins Fan would have defended him for just passing along useful information as a springboard for discussion. That type of information wouldn't fit their preconceived notions that the schools are pushing liberal agendas.

I don't think Bruins Fan or myself said anything like that.