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Old 03-24-2017, 06:53 PM
 
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Fairly good overview illustrating that there are absolute smoking craters of humanity peppered across the entire state. Not just west, nor middle, nor east. The whole region is covered in these relics of the industrial revolution that couldn't cut it anymore especially after the 1960s. Also it is certainly possible to find ugly areas of "nice" towns and nice areas of "trashy" towns (most all of them do have nice parts) and confuse the matter when all you're basing it on is a selective photo montage.

For selective example, besides that ridiculous trashy strip joint, Whately is a pretty stable old Polish farm town mixed with university-employed intellectual types, with barely any blight to see, full of postcard New England architecture. Wouldn't be a candidate for this list.
The strip joint might be that ONE owner in town who took advantage of lack of specific laws prohibiting such things, to make a buck. If the town has no rule against this kind of thing, it can happen. They can later backfill laws to close loopholes, but the blight remains. And then someone broadcasts a photo of it as representing the entire town.
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Old 03-24-2017, 07:27 PM
 
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The hill towns are still fine. They have changed very little.
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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The whole NE is like that, one big ghetto, with a few prosperous places, where everyone wants to live, but cannot afford. Midwest is not far.
are you serious?
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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Someone's failed attempt at humor who needs a real hobby. And they even include Boston? Heck, any large city has good and bad parts.
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Old 04-19-2017, 05:02 PM
 
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Yeah, I remember going into many such old mill towns and seeing rundown stuff back in the late 70s and the 80s. Some of them had periods where they seemed to be getting neater and more prosperous--or less depressed--but they didn't sustain that rise. If anything, the photos only show that those that already have, get more. Those that don't have, fall even lower.

Some places I remember as being a bit rough-looking but still good to visit sometimes. Brockton comes to mind, when they had a good restaurant. Even then, it was a tired-looking place, formerly a shoemaking center, I think?????

Then I think of how rough Waltham, or the central part of it, looked then, and now I hear that gentrication is changing it. The difference, of course, is that Waltham is so close to Cambridge, Newton, Weston, and the beltways to good jobs. Brockton, not so much.

I bicycled through many places on routes that drivers didn't favor. If you really want to see how a city lives, ditch the car and walk, bike, or bus. Cities have always been a weird jumble of poverty in stone's throw of great wealth.

The tiny rural towns in central and western MA were really nice to bike through back then. They didn't seem to be last-resort dumpy housing for people who couldn't afford to live closer to the larger more prosperous cities, but times have changed.

It is sad to see those pretty hill towns being neglected.
Brockton sits on a commuter rail line to South Station. 35 minutes. Eventually, it's going to gentrify. The real estate walkable to the train station is too valuable.

There is no reason to believe that Springfield will ever gentrify. There are no jobs and it's not commutable to jobs.
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Old 04-19-2017, 05:07 PM
 
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Well ill be waiting for the day...in the meantime let's see if mattpan gentrifies.
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Old 04-19-2017, 05:29 PM
 
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Brockton is never going to gentrify.
I know of Brockton people in graveyards today that died of old age causes,that lived in Brockton during the 1980s and 1990s that waited for the Yuppies to discover and come to Brockton, which never happen.

Anyone want to wait for Brockton to gentrify? Go ahead. Lol!
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Old 04-19-2017, 08:45 PM
 
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Brockton is never going to gentrify.
I know of Brockton people in graveyards today that died of old age causes,that lived in Brockton during the 1980s and 1990s that waited for the Yuppies to discover and come to Brockton, which never happen.

Anyone want to wait for Brockton to gentrify? Go ahead. Lol!
The problem with Brockton when it comes down to it is this...

They are way too divided and way too political. There's a number of issues where it divided the city right down the line.

Now what if they started to agree?

The way I see it is this. If they start demoing off some of the really bad old buildings and then maybe cordon off the center from cars it can be somewhat stable.

If you want to lower crime you do two things.

1) Eliminate parking

2) Eliminate cash

You know what might be a nice idea. Take advantage of the cheaper housing and the commuter rail. A multiuniversity dorm would make sense. Right now UMass Boston wants a dorm but they are in a cash crunch. It makes sense to take advantage of the cheaper housing and the rail. If the rail isn't enough there's a BAT shuttle to Ashmont. University Center in Chicago could be used as model. Just divided it by two or three. As long as it's a private building they can tax it.

The other thing to remember is that it's this rail line that they plan to extend to fall river and new bedford. This is way off but still that might also help as urban areas are linked.

It also would take some effort to work on the park. It has serious potential.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:35 AM
 
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The other thing to remember is that it's this rail line that they plan to extend to fall river and new bedford. This is way off but still that might also help as urban areas are linked.
The current short term plan is to run the New Bedford train to the intersection of Route 140 & Route 24 and then run it due east to hook up with the Middleboro/Lakeville line. A 1 hour 45 minute train ride to South Station on a good day. Nobody in the world is going to commute on that. They'll continue to van pool and take the bus where they can use the zipper lane.

Hooking into the Stoughton line is the long term plan. ...and that line doesn't go anywhere near Brockton. It's billions and every NIMBY person along the way is going to sue so I'm doubtful that it will ever happen. If you want medium speed 130 mph rail from New Bedford and Fall River, you blow it up the median strip of Route 24 on elevated/cantilevered track as part of a widening & bridge/interchange replacement project and hook it into the 128/University Park station. 45 minute express trains. Shut the Middleboro/Lakeville station and put a huge parking garage and train station at the I-495/Route 24 interchange.
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Old 04-22-2017, 07:35 PM
 
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How about using the scientific method to determine the ghettos of Massachusetts!



FROM ROADSNACK website:
"Massachusetts is, by all accounts, a very special place in this country. You’ve got a ton of history and culture. Its residents are proud Americans with a rich sense of passion and purpose. Avid sports fans, and true-blood, die-hard folks, without whom, this nation wouldn’t be the same.
And then you have places like Brockton and Taunton. Some real pits.
After analyzing the 224 most populous cities, we came up with this list as the 10 worst places in Massachusetts"

These Are The 10 Worst Places To Live In Massachusetts
Nick James, RoadSnacks
We used science and data to determine which cities in the Bay State are the real pits


New Bedford
Fall River
Gardner
North Adams
Fitchburg
Ware
Brockton
Taunton
Southbridge
Athol

https://www.roadsnacks.net/places-in...at-need-a-hug/
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