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[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by massnative71

But it could make the job market more competitive at the lower end, therefore squeezing out those with the least skills, disabled people, etc.

That's actually why the disabled are exempt from the minimum wage. Because for all the blustering emotional appeals, the legislators at the end of the day do actually realize that economics is real and that in many cases, a disabled person simply can't produce at the minimum wage decided upon. A job is better than no job.

https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/subminimumwage

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

That's actually why the disabled are exempt from the minimum wage. Because for all the blustering emotional appeals, the legislators at the end of the day do actually realize that economics is real and that in many cases, a disabled person simply can't produce at the minimum wage decided upon. A job is better than no job.

https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/subminimumwage

Does this apply in MA, or are they not exempt there from the state's min. wage? I have never heard of such. Also, that does not apply to all disabilities. I know some companies voluntarily make it a point to hire PWDs, I figure there is some sort of tax breaks or incentives to do so.

[Dm84]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Does this apply in MA, or are they not exempt there from the state's min. wage? I have never heard of such. Also, that does not apply to all disabilities. I know some companies voluntarily make it a point to hire PWDs, I figure there is some sort of tax breaks or incentives to do so.

In MA There is a waiver process that an employer needs to go through to pay disabled people less than minimum wage.

[GeoffD]

I write this every time a minimum wage thread comes up...

Personally, I wouldn't hire someone who is only worth paying the minimum wage. I'd waste all my time supervising them because they wouldn't be able to work undirected. My time is worth far more than the $10/hour to $15/hour I'd save hiring a minimum wage person instead of paying more for someone with some neurons, some motivation, and some job skills.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

I write this every time a minimum wage thread comes up...

Personally, I wouldn't hire someone who is only worth paying the minimum wage. I'd waste all my time supervising them because they wouldn't be able to work undirected. My time is worth far more than the $10/hour to $15/hour I'd save hiring a minimum wage person instead of paying more for someone with some neurons, some motivation, and some job skills.

IDK. When I was in high school earning min. wage or not far above, I was doing circles around most of the guys with all the "skills" and experience.

[GeePee]

Yeah. i remember making $7 in 1994 running a printing press. I Did my best. I showed up. I learned. i made enough money for gas and fun. then i moved on. each job I have had i took prior knowledge and leveraged for better for myself. Does this logic still not apply?

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Does this apply in MA, or are they not exempt there from the state's min. wage? I have never heard of such. Also, that does not apply to all disabilities. I know some companies voluntarily make it a point to hire PWDs, I figure there is some sort of tax breaks or incentives to do so.

Companies will jump at the chance to hire people with disabilities to save money on the labor. Almost all companies would voluntarily do this where possible. Nobody is being forced.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

I write this every time a minimum wage thread comes up...

Personally, I wouldn't hire someone who is only worth paying the minimum wage. I'd waste all my time supervising them because they wouldn't be able to work undirected. My time is worth far more than the $10/hour to $15/hour I'd save hiring a minimum wage person instead of paying more for someone with some neurons, some motivation, and some job skills.

If you run a business, you know that there is always something to do. If minimum wage were low enough (or GASP- there were no minimum wage, such as in Scandinavia), you wouldn't hire a teenager for $4 to do some menial tasks? I agree that the minimum wage so high just forces you to do extra work yourself and isn't worth it to employ somebody else. But if it were lower, I'm sure you could use the help in one way or other.

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by massnative71

IDK. When I was in high school earning min. wage or not far above, I was doing circles around most of the guys with all the "skills" and experience.

Same here. 6 mons into my min wage job when I was in HS, I looked around and saw most others on my level did the bare minimum while I was trying my hardest. I said the hell with this, and quit and went out and found jobs that paid more. Every single job since has been the same mentality. Do my time, gain my experience, and leverage that against the next position.


I do understand that there are people out there with skills that won't allow them to do anything more than a basic min wage job. It's easy to say that min wage was never meant to be a career, but at the same time, the same people say the work force is advancing and becoming a high tech work force. So what sort of jobs do people do who can't compete in that sort of marketplace?


I hate to say it, but I think we will see a day come when UBI is coming

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

Same here. 6 mons into my min wage job when I was in HS, I looked around and saw most others on my level did the bare minimum while I was trying my hardest. I said the hell with this, and quit and went out and found jobs that paid more. Every single job since has been the same mentality. Do my time, gain my experience, and leverage that against the next position.


I do understand that there are people out there with skills that won't allow them to do anything more than a basic min wage job. It's easy to say that min wage was never meant to be a career, but at the same time, the same people say the work force is advancing and becoming a high tech work force. So what sort of jobs do people do who can't compete in that sort of marketplace?


I hate to say it, but I think we will see a day come when UBI is coming

All of history is full of technology improving and putting people out of work. Luckily we can produce so much in so little time and effort now. It's more likely that we will see work days shrink and more time off will come because of our productive capacity, thanks to technology. But I do agree that the minimum wage keeps low skilled people out. It's quite unfair.