Amazon: You are not welcome to Boston (Florida: low crime, homes)

[joe_stjean]

Originally Posted by bugelrex

You are focusing on the wrong thing... 50k workers are to be built up over 10 to 20 years. Even if Amazon doesnt pick Boston, based on current tech growth rates, Boston will create 50000 high paying tech jobs over the next 20 years.

Are you going to protest every new tech, biotech opening in Boston? The influx of high paying engineers are happening no matter what due to the top schools we have.

The conversation or pressure should be on voting out elected officials who have allowed public transportation to deteriorate and NIMBY policies. Without job growth, cities will die a slow death and Boston can not afford to be left behind in the new tech economy.

Whether you are aware of it or not, people are passing Boston as a place to live RIGHT NOW. We don't need to throw gas on the flames to create problems. Its already here.

I am aware of many former colleagues that will not consider coming here, because they just can't entertain the idea of spending that much money on a house.

We can't get people in interview that can go through a half day of informal chat without burping. Or anyone that doesn't smell like either garbage or a duty free shop. I am harassed by head hunters so much that dealing with them is a part time job. And each and every one of my colleagues has to deal with this as well.

Where are the drones of people flocking here for the "big salary" and the "high tech jobs"? They exits. But they don't want to come here.


You are right about one thing though: public transportation. Boston's growth is choked by the lack of vision of the city and state officials. But we all know that civil engineering has never been Massachusetts strong suit... Anybody who has ever driven elsewhere (other states or countries) will agree with this.

[tysmith95]

Originally Posted by bugelrex

So in summary: please don't create any more high paid jobs in Boston because you want to keep your property taxes or rent low. God forbid people in Boston should have the opportunity for higher wages....

Exactly. You can argue weather or not, or to what extent we should offer tax breaks to Amazon. But if Amazon wants to come here at a reasonable price I don't know how you can say no.

Hopefully Boston can push infrastructure improvements and not tax breaks into the incentive package.

[yellowstatus]

I moved to Boston for a great high paying, tech job. I then fell in love with the city. Fantastically educated workforce, great opportunities, compact and walkable city brimming with history. Boston is more expensive than where I grew up in the midwest, but for good reason.

I'm personally rooting for Amazon to come here to expand the tech market and general flow of knowledge. I look forward to Boston becoming more like San Francisco on that front.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by yellowstatus

I moved to Boston for a great high paying, tech job. I then fell in love with the city. Fantastically educated workforce, great opportunities, compact and walkable city brimming with history. Boston is more expensive than where I grew up in the midwest, but for good reason.

I'm personally rooting for Amazon to come here to expand the tech market and general flow of knowledge. I look forward to Boston becoming more like San Francisco on that front.

ugh gross

[bugelrex]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

ugh gross

You probably don't realize that Boston is quite the bargain for high paid tech folk. If they want to live in a liberal city with culture and good school district and future job opportunities, the choice is limited


St bay area. 2m for a house in good school district
Nyc,nj: 1.5m for condo with good commute and private schools and crazy high property tax and maintainance. 1m single family with 1hr commute and 20k property taxes and good schools
Boston inner suburb: 1 to 1.2m , 10k in property tax, excellent schools and 30-40 min commute to downtown

Of course thus only worked because engineering salaries are around base 150k to 180k average.

Until outsourcing has destroyed high skilled programming, Boston will attract new employees. Just being in the top 20 Amazon will have new companies eyeing boston

[Pilot1]

I think Amazon will pick a lower total cost of living, and lower cost of doing business location. This includes taxes (although they will get tax breaks initially) wages, and other costs.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by bugelrex

You probably don't realize that Boston is quite the bargain for high paid tech folk. If they want to live in a liberal city with culture and good school district and future job opportunities, the choice is limited


St bay area. 2m for a house in good school district
Nyc,nj: 1.5m for condo with good commute and private schools and crazy high property tax and maintainance. 1m single family with 1hr commute and 20k property taxes and good schools
Boston inner suburb: 1 to 1.2m , 10k in property tax, excellent schools and 30-40 min commute to downtown

Of course thus only worked because engineering salaries are around base 150k to 180k average.

Until outsourcing has destroyed high skilled programming, Boston will attract new employees. Just being in the top 20 Amazon will have new companies eyeing boston

I just don't like the insufferable culture (or lack thereof) that such people bring.

[Partial Observer]

Originally Posted by yellowstatus

I moved to Boston for a great high paying, tech job. I then fell in love with the city. Fantastically educated workforce, great opportunities, compact and walkable city brimming with history. Boston is more expensive than where I grew up in the midwest, but for good reason.

I'm personally rooting for Amazon to come here to expand the tech market and general flow of knowledge. I look forward to Boston becoming more like San Francisco on that front.

Agreed. We have a lot more gentrifying to do if we want to be taken seriously in the tech sector. I don't understand why we're wasting prime real estate in Dorchester, Chelsea, and Revere on poor people. If we repurposed the check-cashing stores and bodegos as bubble tea shops, sushi joints, and nitro coffee bars, the techies would come in droves. We could set up colonies in Brockton and Lawrence for the undesirables, since those are too far for high-income hipsters to commute by train or bicycle.

[bugelrex]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

I just don't like the insufferable culture (or lack thereof) that such people bring.

Well educated, low crime, high paid, mostly cultured outside of usa, pay taxes, value education... how dare we want such undesirables in Boston!

If we were talking about investment bankers, hedge funds so would agree with you

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by yellowstatus

I moved to Boston for a great high paying, tech job. I then fell in love with the city. Fantastically educated workforce, great opportunities, compact and walkable city brimming with history. Boston is more expensive than where I grew up in the midwest, but for good reason.

I'm personally rooting for Amazon to come here to expand the tech market and general flow of knowledge. I look forward to Boston becoming more like San Francisco on that front.

Then move to San Francisco.