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Old 06-13-2018, 09:57 PM
 
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I would pick the suburb where my job is, because commuting sucks, but oh wait I make $50k a year doing the work I love, and got into debt getting a master's degree to get here. The socially acceptable corners of the commonwealth cannot be my world anymore, so 40 miles outside of the 495 suburban edge it is, where "nobody" lives, except forgotten folk like mouth breathing Xennials who miscalculated REALLY BADLY, service industry workers and others pushed out here through certain sectors' wage stagnation and the relentless COL increases, living alongside generational poverty that has been here a while.

There is a caste of mole people lurking out there who can't choose any suburb yet many still have to commute to the suburbs to afford our lavish lifestyle splurges at Ocean State Job Lot. Their mud huts are generally somewhere in Worcester County, the Merrimack Valley, and Bristol County. Hi! Hope you all appreciate your privilege.

What's wrong with Ocean State Job Lot?
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:53 PM
 
Location: North Quabbin, MA
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What's wrong with Ocean State Job Lot?
Nothing at all! Except when I realize that since 2010 I have bought most of my ratty clothing there. Great source for socks, gardening supplies, food staples of questionable origin, itchy polyester bedding, Portuguese rolls straight from Fall River.

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Welp, another wildly off topic thread ready for pasture.
I specialize in pasteurizing MA c-d threads, ain’t nobody appreciate it when negative net worth nancy failures speak up about how every suburb is now unaffordable to traditionally middle class professions whose salaries haven’t increased with the grotesque COL inflation, but there are quite a few in this predicament born since 1980. Venting anonymously on the internet and giggling at the hyperactive hand wringing of contemporary affluenza is just plain fun. My kids will go to school in a rural mill town but still get a better education than 90% of US citizens because the difference between Acton and Athol is still not nearly as wide as Athol and Alabama.

PS - back on topic, if you’re the OP and can casually spend up to $2 million and want a THERE there, Brookline, Cambridge, and Wellesley are pretty nice. Cohasset or Marblehead for seaside options on the opposing suburban shores. Concord for inland history and trees, precious boutiques, outdated rotaries, NIMBY attitudes.
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Old 06-14-2018, 01:12 AM
 
Location: stuck in the woods with bears and moose
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Nothing at all! Except when I realize that since 2010 I have bought most of my ratty clothing there. Great source for socks, gardening supplies, food staples of questionable origin, itchy polyester bedding, Portuguese rolls straight from Fall River.


I specialize in pasteurizing MA c-d threads, ain’t nobody appreciate it when negative net worth nancy failures speak up about how every suburb is now unaffordable to traditionally middle class professions whose salaries haven’t increased with the grotesque COL inflation, but there are quite a few in this predicament born since 1980. Venting anonymously on the internet and giggling at the hyperactive hand wringing of contemporary affluenza is just plain fun. My kids will go to school in a rural mill town but still get a better education than 90% of US citizens because the difference between Acton and Athol is still not nearly as wide as Athol and Alabama.

PS - back on topic, if you’re the OP and can casually spend up to $2 million and want a THERE there, Brookline, Cambridge, and Wellesley are pretty nice. Cohasset or Marblehead for seaside options on the opposing suburban shores. Concord for inland history and trees, precious boutiques, outdated rotaries, NIMBY attitudes.
My favorite poster who brings things down to earth. Thank you, FCMA.

I don't live in one of those special suburban towns either. I don't get caught up in SAT scores and walkable downtowns. I smile to myself as my nerve-wracked relatives carefully let me know that they are keeping up with the Joneses. Ho hum. I don't know where I'd live if I had 2 million dollars to spend on a house. Dover, Needham, one of those probably. Brookline and Newton are too urban for me. Wellesley is okay for commuting and it feels homey. None of the schools are what they are cracked up to be; I have some of the inside story on that. It all depends upon the parents, the home anyway. If I had that amount of money, I'd either move overseas or just to a nice old house on the north shore. I wouldn't put up with rte 9 traffic and the monotony of metrowest.
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Old 06-14-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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What's wrong with Ocean State Job Lot?

Can't hold a candle to Spag's. Or is that Spag's #19? Or a vacant lot?
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Old 06-14-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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I don't live in one of those special suburban towns either. I don't get caught up in SAT scores and walkable downtowns.

SAT scores reflect the demographics of the town. If you're in a socioeconomically mixed town, you can spend $1 billion per student and still not get the SAT scores of a professional bedroom town with zero diversity. As long as the town is large enough and diverse enough to fill a classroom with 25 bright & motivated kids taking the AP courses and similar things, you can get a good outcome.


Walkable, on the other hand, is kind of a big deal to me. If you have children, it means you're not an unpaid Uber driver for a decade+. I could walk to elementary school as a child and I could walk and later bicycle to the local village center, the Little League field, swimming/beach, etc. In the great circle of life, I'm back in that town with my summer/retirement home where I walk & bicycle to everything.
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:59 AM
 
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Can't hold a candle to Spag's. Or is that Spag's #19? Or a vacant lot?

Certainly not (if you are talking the original Spag's). Spag's 19 was just SAD, it was raised when that chain went out of business. Last I heard, Whole Foods and a bunch of other junk were moving in there.
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Old 06-14-2018, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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If I had plenty o'cash and wanted a nice walkable suburban community close to Boston, I'd pick Winchester or Newton. Also on the list would be Chestnut Hill and Brookline. You won't find too many newer homes in eastern MA, but better homes in upscale towns will be well built originally and in good condition for sale.
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Old 06-14-2018, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Central Mass
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Certainly not (if you are talking the original Spag's). Spag's 19 was just SAD, it was raised when that chain went out of business. Last I heard, Whole Foods and a bunch of other junk were moving in there.
Opened in January...

Starbucks, banks, restaurants, and apartments

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Whole Foods is the anchor of Lakeway Commons, which also includes Starbucks, Tavern in the Square, Burton's Grill, Visionworks, UniBank, Jenny Boston Boutique, Especially for Pets, Scottrade, Tile Works, Lunch Box, Massage Envy, QDOBA Mexican Eats and Orangetheory Fitness.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:43 PM
 
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We have young kids and went through this same excerise last year and landed in Wellesley near Wellesley Sq and are very happy. We walk to the train, schools, library, downtown and love the Brook Path. If you are considering Montessori for elementary, Riverbend Montessori in South Natick is nearby and highly regarded (though you can’t walk there). Newton Montessori in Newton Center is another option, but commuting from that part of Newton is the green line. I love Winchester too, but the Winchester-Back Bay commute is a pain comparatively.
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Old 06-15-2018, 01:16 PM
 
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It's hard to tie the material quality of the home to a particular price point. For example, in Needham or Wellesley or Newton $1.5M would be a low end new construction home. So, you're going to get some contractor grade items. It's also going to depend a lot on who the builder is. I had a client looking at a Toll Brothers house a couple years back in Canton and EVERYTHING looked like it was contractor grade.
Agreed. I suppose what I was advocating for is that buyers look beyond $/sqft and 'not assume 'new build = low maintenance'. Instead, they really need to project long term value because eventually all new homes become old ones and whatever premium 'new' added will be long gone. Some new builds should demand peak $/sqft and some should not.

As for Toll Brothers, the horror stories seem to bare truth. Some years back, prior to the Shrewsbury town inspector 'discouraging' the use of thermo-ply sheathing, Toll Brothers threw up a high end (in name only) development using the stuff. When the first nor'easter blew through it ripped the siding off homes as the contractors didn't hit the studs. Turns out thin compressed paper doesn't hold nails well. The homes which managed to retain their siding showed wavy walls and other undesirables over time. There was a Globe article addressing it written some years back - not a good situation.
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