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Old 08-15-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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I am not sure about how Baker is 'left of most Democrats' - do you have an article, study that shows that his positions are particularly liberal?

As for studying up on his platform rather than listening to propaganda, I infer that you are referring to Lively. If that is the case, then I see the following issues with him:

1. His type of social conservationism does not mesh with mine. I don't care about what other people do in their lives, whether it be same sex relationships, abortions, etc.

Those are standard positions of the Republican party (as well as "JFK" Democrats), always have been.


Baker is 100% pro-abortion, is for Transgender Bathrooms and the confiscation of previously legal firearms, and has turned a blind eye to sanctuary cities. Even most Democrats don't seem to be for most of the stuff, only the hardest core ones.

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As seen from your subsequent posts, you have a very personal agenda against Baker. I am not questioning whether you are right or wrong, however you won't find many readers swayed by these types of appeals.
Not denying that. Once again, the main purpose of this discussion wasn't to necessarily win voters over to Lively. You are just an example of allowing one's personal bias take precedence over a demand for fairness and objectivity.


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By modern conservative standards, nearly everyone is left of center - Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr. Hell, even William Buckley would be derided as a centerist RINO in today's climate as I suspect he'd be a bit too educated and moderate for their liking.
Baker is left of Reagan on social issues (particularly abortion and drug policy), as well as most fiscal issues. Gay marriage, Transgender Bathrooms, Sanctuary Cities... those things hadn't been invented in his day, but I can't imagine Reagan being for those.


The only thing Reagan is to the left of Lively on (that I can think of), is gun control. In some ways, Lively is to the left of Reagan.
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Old 08-15-2018, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts & Hilton Head, SC
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massnative71, I understand the point you were trying to make. While I won't be voting for Lively because I don't think he's qualified to be the Governor, that has never stopped the Globe before. As long as they agreed with some unqualified weirdo, they'd be happy to do a profile on him.

As you know, I have my issues with Baker, too. Too bad, because I like Karyn Polito very much.
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Old 08-15-2018, 02:53 PM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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massnative71, I understand the point you were trying to make. While I won't be voting for Lively because I don't think he's qualified to be the Governor, that has never stopped the Globe before. As long as they agreed with some unqualified weirdo, they'd be happy to do a profile on him.

As you know, I have my issues with Baker, too. Too bad, because I like Karyn Polito very much.



You are literally the first person I've heard say that. I work with a ton of people from the Westborough region (my main office is there) and everyone has deep contempt for her. I don't know her history myself, but her family's shady real estate practices seem to be at the basis of it from these multi generation families in that area. I had never heard of her myself.
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Old 08-15-2018, 02:55 PM
 
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I know she is a nice person, people do seem to have strong opinions of her though. Politics...
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Old 08-15-2018, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Essex County, MA
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No, I choose my friends wisely (straight or gay). But the data clearly shows it, and it shouldn't be a taboo to point it out. People have no problem throwing out that XXX race suffers more from YYYYYY than the general population, it's really no different.
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I have not researched and/or verified this, but I have heard that there's a high rate of domestic violence with lesbian couples.
I’d love to see some numbers! From a reputable source, please!
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Old 08-15-2018, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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By modern conservative standards, nearly everyone is left of center - Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr. Hell, even William Buckley would be derided as a centerist RINO in today's climate as I suspect he'd be a bit too educated and moderate for their liking.
Sadly, you are absolutely correct about the shift in the GOP.
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Old 08-15-2018, 03:12 PM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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I’d love to see some numbers! From a reputable source, please!



They are out there, sadly, but the raw numbers don't take into account self reporting biases and other factors that impact being LGBT in society (such as alienation from family and the effects on mental health, and it being harder for lesbians to leave relationships that are abusive, etc.).



No idea what this has to do with anything, it isn't like someone can't be a lesbian if they are one. We can work to not make people less alienated and more accepted and provide better support systems for all victims however.
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Old 08-15-2018, 03:40 PM
 
Location: The ghetto
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I’d love to see some numbers! From a reputable source, please!
I don't have a credible source. As I said, I haven't researched this. It is just something I've seen posted several times on the relationships forum. I shouldn't have posted it. I had to run out for a few minutes and planned to delete it when I got back, but you had already quoted it.

I'm also not sure what it has to do with anything. But to be perfectly clear....

I don't support this Lively character. I think he is a nutcase as well as a homophobe hiding behind the bible. And his plan to regulate sexual conduct is absurd. What does that even mean?
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Old 08-15-2018, 03:45 PM
 
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You are literally the first person I've heard say that. I work with a ton of people from the Westborough region (my main office is there) and everyone has deep contempt for her. I don't know her history myself, but her family's shady real estate practices seem to be at the basis of it from these multi generation families in that area. I had never heard of her myself.
Her fellow residents of Shrewsbury weren't exactly providing glowing reviews when I lived in town. Her ambitions were/are certainly viewed as an exercise in 'me me me'.
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Old 08-15-2018, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Those are standard positions of the Republican party (as well as "JFK" Democrats), always have been.

Baker is 100% pro-abortion, is for Transgender Bathrooms and the confiscation of previously legal firearms, and has turned a blind eye to sanctuary cities. Even most Democrats don't seem to be for most of the stuff, only the hardest core ones.


I definitely don't agree. Most Democrats are pro-choice, indifferent to support of transgender bathrooms, and for stricter gun control in MA. Baker's view fit well within the electorate. As recently as July 25th, Baker remains the most popular governor in the country.

(Source: https://www.masslive.com/politics/in...mains_nat.html)

I have yet to read/hear of any source describe Charlie Baker as left of Democrats in MA. I have no doubt that many socially conservative/fringe right Republicans are not happy with Baker, however they do not represent an electorate of consequence.

Not to get off on a tangent, however the last thing I want to see is the GOP further destroyed/dismantled by these reactionary elements. In California, the GOP has been decimated. The last Republican Governor was Schwarzenegger, who similarly derided as a RINO. Lively and others like him have no chance in winning because they are out of step with the majority of the residents of MA. Maybe his rhetoric/agenda/platform would do well in the bible belt or in smaller communities of the Midwest, however there is no way that he can do well in New England.


Not denying that. Once again, the main purpose of this discussion wasn't to necessarily win voters over to Lively. You are just an example of allowing one's personal bias take precedence over a demand for fairness and objectivity.


Great. I am glad that you accept the personal agenda. I have no connection to Baker or his campaign. As a Republican, I do have a bias and would like to see my preferred party in power.

As far as Lively is concerned, he may want to study how he can win on a local level, before trying for the Governorship. I was going to recommend that he study someone like Scott Walker who won (trending purple) Wisconsin while holding fairly conservative positions, however Lively is still too far right of Walker and Wisconsin is a great deal more R-leaning than Massachusetts.
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