Baker declares a public health emergency and bans sale of all vape products in Massachusetts (costs, safer)

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[redplum33]

What state is that? Marlboros are more than $8.90 in MA.

[GeePee]

Originally Posted by redplum33

What state is that? Marlboros are more than $8.90 in MA.

Cheers for missing the point

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by redplum33

What state is that? Marlboros are more than $8.90 in MA.

Originally Posted by GeePee

Cheers for missing the point

It wasn't missed; it was dismissed.

[GeePee]

To sum this 500 pages of text up here's a good read.


House committee advances measure taxing nicotine in vaping products


https://thehill.com/policy/finance/4...aping-products

[GeePee]

Originally Posted by redplum33

It wasn't missed; it was dismissed.

And that's why you don't get it. Dismissing facts for your information-less stats.



from the CDC:
Oct 22

About Patient Exposure:

• All EVALI patients have reported a history of using e-cigarette, or vaping, products.
  • THC is present in most of the samples tested by FDA to date, and most patients report a history of using THC-containing products.
  • The latest national and state findings suggest products containing THC, particularly those obtained off the street or from other informal sources (e.g. friends, family members, illicit dealers), are linked to most of the cases and play a major role in the outbreak.

Surely, even someone in your position can gather that this outright ban of legal products was unjust.
But i do not have high hopes for that coming across.
There are too many coincidences that will be benefiting tobacco, Pharma, and the government to just dismiss and call people crazy for questioning.

using your noggin requires more than listening to local news headlines.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by redplum33

It wasn't missed; it was dismissed.

Originally Posted by GeePee

And that's why you don't get it. Dismissing facts for your information-less stats.



from the CDC:
Oct 22

About Patient Exposure:

• All EVALI patients have reported a history of using e-cigarette, or vaping, products.
  • THC is present in most of the samples tested by FDA to date, and most patients report a history of using THC-containing products.
  • The latest national and state findings suggest products containing THC, particularly those obtained off the street or from other informal sources (e.g. friends, family members, illicit dealers), are linked to most of the cases and play a major role in the outbreak.

Surely, even someone in your position can gather that this outright ban of legal products was unjust.
But i do not have high hopes for that coming across.
There are too many coincidences that will be benefiting tobacco, Pharma, and the government to just dismiss and call people crazy for questioning.

using your noggin requires more than listening to local news headlines.

It was dismissed because it was an apples to oranges comparison.

One product is regulated, has been tested for many decades, and has a health warning on every package. The other product isn't, hasn't been, and doesn't.

I'll also add that I find it curious that some people continue to ignore the word "most" - especially when that word plays such an important role.

[GeePee]

Originally Posted by redplum33

It was dismissed because it was an apples to oranges comparison.

One product is regulated, has been tested for many decades, and has a health warning on every package. The other product isn't, hasn't been, and doesn't.

I'll also add that I find it curious that some people continue to ignore the word "most" - especially when that word plays such an important role.

You do realize that the products that were banned are tested and have those same warning labels right?

You do realize that the products that were banned have been in use for 10ish years right?
You do realize people have just staring becoming ill right?
Can you try to maybe scratch your head a little and come up with an informed thought based on these facts, or you just need to be right?

[redplum33]

I don't know why I need to keep posting this, but here goes again:

"The FDA didn't regulate the sale of e-cigs until after 2016. Companies like Juul were already up and running, so they won't even get reviewed by the FDA until 2023."

And, no, the banned products do not have the same warnings on the packaging. One product has a health warning from the Surgeon General. The other simply states that nicotine is addictive.

When/If you start bringing some actual facts to the table, we can continue with this discussion.

My head hurts from banging it against the wall.

[GeePee]

You have some valid points, and sorry if this is turning into a pissing match. But I wish what would come out of this would be forcing the CDC to test the legal products used correctly without big tobacco influence and people could have real facts to base their decisions on. i don't see that happening. Baker wants the tax money. Tobacco is fine with that. I wish they would just stop pinning on some public health crisis that is just not true.