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Old 11-29-2019, 06:03 PM
 
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U.S. Cities Factsheet | Center for Sustainable Systems
United Nations (UN) Population Division (2018) World Urbanization Prospects: The 2018 Revision.
"Approximately 84% of the U.S. population lives in urban areas, up from 64% in 1950. By 2050, 89% of the U.S. population and 68% of the world population is projected to live in urban areas"

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...5/cb15-33.html
"U.S. Cities are Home to 62.7 Percent of the U.S. Population, but Comprise Just 3.5 Percent of Land Area"

Rural areas are dying off I think we can all agree on that. Population is centered around cities.

Back to Springfield unlike many other gateway cities the population drop was nearly as high. Suburbs generally are supposed to grow because single family homes are for families. Cities have more jobs and when employers, leave prices drop and then people leave.
Doesn't look like "suburban" and "urban" are distinguished from one another here. You seem to be confusing "urban" and "metropolitan". Most "cities" are not "urban" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm pretty sure your beloved Weymouth would be classified as "urban" by that method, even though it has mostly suburban characteristics and today totally functions as a suburban bedroom community. You are correct that the country is becoming increasingly "metropolitan", although most of the population growth is still in the lower density single-family type form.
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Old 11-30-2019, 03:22 AM
 
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I do excuse you. I'm sorry. I meant beyond this specific thread.
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Old 11-30-2019, 06:39 AM
 
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I have nothing to contribute ever since I was wrongly accused of being "racist" a while back, but this is interesting information to me. I didn't know that E. Longmeadow and Southwick went for Trump. And Spfld, Chicopee, and Holyoke went for Hillary, which makes sense. (Trying to figure out what the reasons would be for E. Longmeadow and Southwick to go Trump.) Although, historically, E. Longmeadow was blue collar with factories and on the outskirts, there were farms. (Gone now and replaced with condos and newer homes.)

Maybe some of that lost past lingers on, especially among older people. Southwick is rural--I can understand the Trumpism there. You could be right about that, massnative, that vocation and industry has more to do with voting behavior than wealth or economic "class."
My understanding was that the 2016 election boiled down to two main things, being a referendum on globalism and Obamacare. From my personal experience anyway, most self employed types and small business owners voted Trump. Those are generally the people most screwed by Obamacare, not to mention also had the most to gain from his tax cuts. A lot of doctors voted Trump as well. Education folk and government workers (non law enforcement) went with Hillary. Those in "safe" occupations leaned Hillary, as they were content with the status quo. Old money was also quite comfortable with the Clinton/Bush/Obama streak). Obviously, a displaced blue-collar industrial worker has little to lose and willing to take just about any gamble with the economy. Like I said I don't know how this plays out in the Springfield area; but I have a strong hunch if you look at Longmeadow vs. E Longmeadow vs. Southwick, etc., you will find a somewhat similar pattern.
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Old 11-30-2019, 12:17 PM
 
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Just looked up the stats -- Clinton 45%, Trump 49% in E. Longmeadow in 2016. So, narrow; hard to identify a trend or a reason.
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Old 11-30-2019, 02:30 PM
 
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Just looked up the stats -- Clinton 45%, Trump 49% in E. Longmeadow in 2016. So, narrow; hard to identify a trend or a reason.
Yeh, that makes sense. Very close.
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Old 11-30-2019, 03:31 PM
 
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Just looked up the stats -- Clinton 45%, Trump 49% in E. Longmeadow in 2016. So, narrow; hard to identify a trend or a reason.
Narrow but even if you found some like town with a similar spread (but flipped), I bet one could identify trends (or back up a hypothesis) with the right info.
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Old 11-30-2019, 03:31 PM
 
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The nearby "red" ones (Southwick, etc.) are probably similar.
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Old 11-30-2019, 03:44 PM
 
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The nearby "red" ones (Southwick, etc.) are probably similar.
Southwick 57.4% Trump 36% Clinton
Longmeadow 37.1% Trump 57.1% Clinton
East Longmeadow 49% Trump 45% Clinton
Easthampton 27.4% Trump 65.5% Clinton


So I would say there are some big disparities among the Springfield suburbs.
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Old 11-30-2019, 08:14 PM
 
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Southwick 57.4% Trump 36% Clinton
Longmeadow 37.1% Trump 57.1% Clinton
East Longmeadow 49% Trump 45% Clinton
Easthampton 27.4% Trump 65.5% Clinton


So I would say there are some big disparities among the Springfield suburbs.
Easthampton isn't a Springfield suburb but WOW what a change in that town in the last twenty years or so! That would have been one of the Trumpiest towns in the country but it went for Clinton? The demographics have changed even more than I thought. Overflow from liberal Northampton because Northampton got so gentrified and expensive. The proportion for Trump vs Clinton is astounding, especially considering what it was like twenty years ago.
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Old 11-30-2019, 09:14 PM
 
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Springfield 1960 population: 174,463
Springfield 1970 population: 163,905
Springfield 1980 population: 152,319
Springfield 20187 estimate: 153,060


That's a gain of 2,713 from 1980. Springfield grew at a rate of 1.8% over that 38 years while Weymouth grew 3.8%. If you go back to 1970, or 1960...it gets much bleaker. If Weymouth is "dying", then what does that say for Springfield...


I never said Weymouth is an outlier. It's growing just like all Boston suburbs are, and at a much faster rate than Springfield (like at 7X the rate since 2010). How's that Eastfield Mall doing btw?




Here are the diversity stats for all of Norfolk County. Pretty much tracks state patterns:


http:////www.city-data.com/county/No...County-MA.html


White 80.5%
Asian 11.6%
Black 7.3%
Hispanic or Latino 5.9%
Some or other race 0.9%
Just to keep us up to date on demographics. Circa 2018.

Norfolk County:

Non Hispanic White 74.0%
Asian 11.7%
Black 7.1%
Hispanic 4.8%
Multiracial 1.9%
Some Other Race .5%

https://data.census.gov/cedsci/all?q...isplayedRow=93

The state is 70.7% non hispanic white, 7.1% black and 12.3% Hispanic. Overall the county is noticeably more white and Asian than the state, it is also more wealthy.
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