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msRB311 · 05-07-2021, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by charolastra00

You work for a university, no? Regardless of personal feelings, you have to follow university guidelines. Even though all students at my university are tested twice a week and now, at this point, many of them have been vaccinated, we still have to observe the distancing requirements set by the university. This means no photos or video with anyone closer than 6 feet apart, even outdoors.

I do. I guess I'm more surprised at how cautious these fully vaccinated people with masks on still were. These weren't students either. I can understand being cautious but it seems like these folks are still treating everyone they come in contact with as being a possible carrier. Two of these people are doctors...so if they're nervous i guess there's something to it...

lrfox · 05-07-2021, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by msRB311

I do. I guess I'm more surprised at how cautious these fully vaccinated people with masks on still were. These weren't students either. I can understand being cautious but it seems like these folks are still treating everyone they come in contact with as being a possible carrier. Two of these people are doctors...so if they're nervous i guess there's something to it...

Most of my coworkers who are in the office are vaccinated and we've had several in-person meetings over the past 2 months. I can't speak for your coworkers or anyone else, but the first handful of meetings were pretty awkward. There were some nerves I think (the vaccines aren't foolproof and we're all relatively newly vaccinated), but most of the weirdness was around the fact that it was such a departure from the way we've been doing things for so long now. Even though we're all vaccinated, we have no idea what everyone's comfort level is around other people in spite of the fact that everything says 4-5 vaccinated people should be OK together in the same space. It's a lot less awkward now, but still not like the "before times." I've noticed this in parks around here post mask mandate too. Even though things are loosening, many people are going to take awhile to adjust.

BostonMike7 · 05-07-2021, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by msRB311

Two of these people are doctors...so if they're nervous i guess there's something to it...

My sister is an ICU nurse who's worked with Covid patients and watched countless die from it. From her perspective, all she see is the worst of it and see's how it is a terrible way to die. She does take extra precautions that I don't think I even take, but then again i haven't seen what she has. Describing it to me doesn't really have the same effect i guess, much like it doesn't seem to convince anyone who takes the perspective that this is all just a little cold.

While the odds are in my favor, i certainly do not want to get it. It just doesn't look like a fun time if you are one of the unlucky ones. One coworker about my age really got it bad and struggled with it at home for 3-4 weeks before he was well enough to resume work. Still speaks about how it was the worst illness he's ever had, and he was a healthy guy who lived at a gym and was constantly working out. Once he could get vaccinated, he did and said he would rather have side effects from the vaccine vs ever going through that again.

GeoffD · 05-07-2021, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by id77

Some did, but most did not. Moreover, many of those who did not suddenly think they should be. If a worker wasn't worth throwing amenities at or allowing full remote pre-pandemic, they're not magically worth throwing amenities at or allowing full remote post-pandemic. Just because these people could work remote during the pandemic doesn't suddenly mean they can demand the kinds of benefits and working situation that high-demand/high-skill workers get if they're not high-demand/high-skill workers. They can be replaced with any of literally millions of qualified workers in places like India, China, or Malaysia who can and will do the same remote work for less pay, worse hours, and fewer benefits.

Everybody is ultimately going to make their own choices, but I'm seeing a lot of Dunning-Kruger playing out where there's workers who don't even realize they're a beggar demanding choices. The only edge these workers have over cheap foreign labor is that they're local and can be in an office, so playing their hand without the only strong card they held to begin with is just mind blowing to me.

I’ve made that point several times in this thread. Personally, working remotely due to COVID-19 put me out of business. I can be replaced by an Asian engineer for pennies on the dollar. None of the Asian vendors are losing any business over it.

msRB311 · 05-07-2021, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoffD

I’ve made that point several times in this thread. Personally, working remotely due to COVID-19 put me out of business. I can be replaced by an Asian engineer for pennies on the dollar. None of the Asian vendors are losing any business over it.

but why do you and others think people are worth that much more in person vs online? If you're happy with the work I do what difference at this point does it make if you are seeing me in the office vs online? I'm not sure why if it becomes online I'm replaceable for less with a someone else in India for less money. If that's the case then a lot of positions could be outsourced...but they're not. After covid ANYONE's white collar job COULD technically be outsourced.