Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Boston: live, dangerous, vacation)

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by msRB311

Plus there's a vaccine now. Why do we still need masks ?

Because the Israeli data is showing that Pfizer is only 39% effective against the Delta variant and the CDC is saying it's the most contagious disease they've ever seen. The point of everyone wearing masks indoors is to drop the transmission rate below 1.0. The best guess is that the transmission rate for the Delta variant is somewhere between 6.0 to 7.0.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

Oh, the horror. Can you just imagine if these whiners were around while real sacrifices were being demanded during WW II?

WW2 vets would not comply with the mandates or lockdowns because they would know it was all bull crap. Governor's back then would never have lockdowns for a virus with a 99 percent survival rate. If you tried to lock down buisness back then let's just say some politicians would disappear.

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by msRB311

I just don't understand all these people who wear one by choice after being vaccinated. Yes there will be breakthrough cases. People can still get the flu after getting a flu shot.

Aren't you answering your own question? You realize that you can still get the flu after a flu shot but then question why people choose to wear a mask because a gov't entity isn't telling them to do so?


What if these folks just don't want to test the efficacy of their vaccine and just want to avoid contracting the virus altogether? What if they live in a household with your children who cannot get the vaccine yet? What if someone at home is immunocompromised? What if it brings them comfort and reduces their anxiety?

There are plenty of reasons why people volunteer to wear masks without being told to do so, and if they are wearing an N95 type mask they are effectively protecting themselves. Maybe they just have a lower level of risk than others? If that's what they want to do, they let them. Not everyone wants to roll the dice on their health.

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

WW2 vets would not comply with the mandates or lockdowns because they would know it was all bull crap. Governor's back then would never have lockdowns for a virus with a 99 percent survival rate. If you tried to lock down buisness back then let's just say some politicians would disappear.

Same stuff happened during the 1919 SPanish FLu pandemic. There were lockdowns, and there was resistance. Basically history is repeating itself.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...onary-n1202111

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ruck-down.html

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

Same stuff happened during the 1919 SPanish FLu pandemic. There were lockdowns, and there was resistance. Basically history is repeating itself.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...onary-n1202111

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ruck-down.html

The difference back then was you had a 100 times more of a chance of dying with Spanish flu than covid.if this virus was as bad as Spanish flu I would not mind restrictions.

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

The difference back then was you had a 100 times more of a chance of dying with Spanish flu than covid.

Correct, and despite that people still pushed back even with the higher risk of mortality.

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by msRB311

I don't see anything about an outbreak on MV. Obama's making quite a splash though with having his party there :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ard/index.html

Looks like he’s scaling it back to “close friends and family” down from 700 or so people

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/08...ontent=curated

[Crispo]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Why would Massachusetts lock down? The only people landing in the hospital are the morons who didn't get vaccinated.

That was true, however, it's changing: According to the Globe "This year, roughly 97 percent of people hospitalized with COVID-19 in Massachusetts were not fully vaccinated, a figure that mirrors the trend nationally, in part because far fewer people were vaccinated earlier this year.But starting in July, that dropped to 80 percent in Massachusetts, a Globe analysis of state data shows"

[lrfox]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

WW2 vets would not comply with the mandates or lockdowns because they would know it was all bull crap. Governor's back then would never have lockdowns for a virus with a 99 percent survival rate. If you tried to lock down buisness back then let's just say some politicians would disappear.

Says who? It's just one example, but my 97 year old grandfather is a WWII (Navy) vet in surprisingly good health (mentally and physically) for his age. He's also a retired neurosurgeon. He was on board with the mask mandates and the covid restrictions (we never actually had "lockdowns" here in the states) as they were "common sense" and he fully supports vaccine requirements for public sector and healthcare jobs. The guy is also as Republican as they come, so it's not just some liberal B.S.

[YevTK]

Originally Posted by Crispo

That was true, however, it's changing: According to the Globe "This year, roughly 97 percent of people hospitalized with COVID-19 in Massachusetts were not fully vaccinated, a figure that mirrors the trend nationally, in part because far fewer people were vaccinated earlier this year .But starting in July, that dropped to 80 percent in Massachusetts, a Globe analysis of state data shows"

I think it's hard to draw any conclusions from this as the hospitalization rate among the elderly is so much higher than younger cohorts that they will tend to dominate the hospitalization numbers even when a high proportion is vaccinated.

By the way, MA has now added the breakthrough data to the daily vaccination report.

"As of July 16th, there were 4,291,441 fully vaccinated people; as of July 31st, there were 7,737 cases from among those vaccinated people. 395 of those 7,737 cases resulted in hospitalization and 100 cases resulted in death based on information reported to date."

% of all fully vaccinated individuals:

Cases 0.18% or 1 in 556
Hospitalized 0.009% or 1 in 11,111
Deaths 0.002% or 1 in 50,000