Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Florida: insurance, credit, tenant)

[skeddy]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

most of the people in critical condition from the virus are overweight. we should force them to lose weight then. being overweight is a huge contributing factor. being overweight is more of a contributing factor than being unvaccinated. not only for covid but being overweight raises the cost of health insurance and drains on the health care system. I might be wrong but it might contribute more than smoking.

you should forward this along to the AMA. cc: Dr. Fauci

[YevTK]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

Nothing is 100%. But take the P-town cluster: 882 cases, 7 hospitalized, 0 deaths. Pretty good odds for me, and pretty compelling case in favor of vaccines.

The P-town study makes no such case, quote "data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak".

[YevTK]

Originally Posted by OutdoorLover

Indeed, DeSantis has engineered virtually the worst performance in the nation on Covid-19. He's been going around holding packed political rallies where he rants that every individual has the right to acquire and spread disease.

Recent FL headlines:

"Florida doctors stage walkout to protest surge of unvaccinated patients"
https://nypost.com/2021/08/23/florid...xed-patients/?

"Bodies stacked to the ceiling as COVID-19 surge creates backlog at funeral homes, crematories"
https://www.wesh.com/article/covid-1...ries/37387466#

Just a bizarre choice to hold up as the standard of excellence. Charlie Baker is at least rational, straightforward, and has basic competence. DeSantis has none of those traits.

"the worst performance in the nation" ?. Before making a judgement as to a particular Governor's effectiveness we should wait until this thing is over.

Deaths per 1M:

New Jersey 3,014
New York 2,808
Mississippi 2,741
Massachusetts 2,640
Louisiana 2,606
Rhode Island 2,604
Arizona 2,561
Alabama 2,447
Connecticut 2,336
South Dakota 2,325
Arkansas 2,236
Pennsylvania 2,202
Michigan 2,143
New Mexico 2,138
Indiana 2,127
Georgia 2,101
Illinois 2,075
Nevada 2,062
North Dakota 2,038
South Carolina 2,005
Florida 1,989

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by OutdoorLover

I also don't understand people making the argument that you can be hospitalized with Covid-19 whether or not you get the vaccine, so therefore the vaccines don't work. They just ignore the key fact that the risk of hospitalization is vastly greater for those who are unvaccinated - and this isn't any kind of secret, it's been widely reported, for months, so why do people keep making these specious arguments anyway?

However, both Israel and Pfizer say that efficacy drops off at 6 months. Thus the boosters for everyone in Israel. It took the US bloated bureaucracy 2 months to process that information after initially shouting it down. My fiancée gets her booster in a month…. Probably 2 months later than she should have received it. I’ll be getting mine not too long afterwards.

[justyouraveragetenant]

I was just watching the news and around 136 fully vaccinated people died in Massachusetts .

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

I was just watching the news and around 136 fully vaccinated people died in Massachusetts .

So 136 deaths out of 4.5 million fully vaccinated people. You have a numerator vs denominator comprehension problem.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

So 136 deaths out of 4.5 million fully vaccinated people. You have a numerator vs denominator comprehension problem.

It's small but more than I thought since the vax is supposed to prevent death. Some claim no one can die if vaccinated. You make condescending assumptions. My point was some claim no one can die if vaccinated. That was the point of my post.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by redplum33

It's irresponsible to say people who are vaccinated won't be hospitalized.

Originally Posted by GeoffD

The CDC just reported that you’re 29x less likely to be hospitalized if you’re vaccinated. How can that possibly be irresponsible? Statistically, it’s true. The vaccines keep you out of the hospital.

The first link of many in a Google search:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnb...ith-covid.html

Irresponsible because it was presented definitively. Less likely is accurate. What was written was not.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by OutdoorLover

I also don't understand people making the argument that you can be hospitalized with Covid-19 whether or not you get the vaccine, so therefore the vaccines don't work. They just ignore the key fact that the risk of hospitalization is vastly greater for those who are unvaccinated - and this isn't any kind of secret, it's been widely reported, for months, so why do people keep making these specious arguments anyway?

If this is a reference to my post, which I assume it is based on the timing, no such argument was made or even remotely suggested. Rather than ignorantly putting words in other people's mouths, please stick to your usual routine of posting last week's news. Thank you.

[charolastra00]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

Jesse Jackson and his wife are both in the hospital and fully vaxxed.

They are both in their late 70s, and Jesse Jackson has Parkinson's which impacts your immunity (and therefore impacts the effectiveness of any vaccine). They fit a profile of those who are the most at risk even with the vaccine. We knew from the beginning that the vaccine would be least effective for those who are older or who have immunity issues. While the vaccine certainly cuts down their risk, they still face a higher risk than younger or healthier vaccinated people.



It's no surprise that it's younger unvaccinated people in the hospital but older vaccinated people who are getting seriously ill.