Coronavirus in Massachusetts (police, how long, plans)

[mdovell]

The state released a much more detailed analysis of everything

https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-da...-2020/download

the major points are as follows

numbers are going down

This is really hitting those 80 years of age and older

the vast majority. I'm talking 95% + had preexisting conditions.


I predict some type of announcement that those 65 to maybe 70 and older just should stay in. I know some might still be working but the numbers clearly show this isn't much once those above the age of 65 are taken out. I've read all sorts of stuff on this but seeing raw numbers is just good. Early retirement plans should be offered and just have them stay home. It's not a age bias it's just what we see out here.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by mdovell

I predict some type of announcement that those 65 to maybe 70 and older just should stay in. I know some might still be working but the numbers clearly show this isn't much once those above the age of 65 are taken out. I've read all sorts of stuff on this but seeing raw numbers is just good. Early retirement plans should be offered and just have them stay home. It's not a age bias it's just what we see out here.

Completely agree. I think some sort of reasonable age based compromised has to be done. People don't even need to retire. There is nothing that can't be done by e-mail, zoom, or phone.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

There is nothing that can't be done by e-mail, zoom, or phone.

If you truly believe this, you need to expand your perspective.

[mdovell]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

If you truly believe this, you need to expand your perspective.

obviously anything that physically requires you to do something (medical, dental, mechanic etc) you have to be there. But if we are talking about just data then it's different.

Now having said this I don't know anything about mutations or what a second wave would look like. If the numbers of the demographics dip lower say to 55 and older then we have longer problems. Maybe other states and countries could be different as well. To note Vermont has some school districts now moving to allow early retirement of teachers after 15 years of teaching (down from 20). Is the AARP going to fight some of this? I don't know. I would not feel comfortable having large amounts of elderly people in any capacity. Nursing home, assisted living, town hall meeting etc.

[Bridge781]

I don’t think this will be as simple as saying only people over 65 stay home. From the beginning of this in China and Italy it was easy to see that this was mostly affecting older people. It still didn’t stop the spread to younger people who didn’t have underlying health issues. If it only was affecting older people why shut down colleges and elementary schools? Maybe 6 months from now this type of message can be said but it’s not happening on may 4th.

There’s also this. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wcv...-says/32215451

[brightdoglover]

Originally Posted by Bridge781

... If it only was affecting older people why shut down colleges and elementary schools? Maybe 6 months from now this type of message can be said but it’s not happening on may 4th.

There’s also this. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wcv...-says/32215451

Besides what you posted, that people under 65 certainly get sick and die, there's the issue of asymptomatic transmission- that younger kids or people in school can certainly be carriers to each other, to the school staff and then on to home. Without question.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by brightdoglover

Besides what you posted, that people under 65 certainly get sick and die, there's the issue of asymptomatic transmission- that younger kids or people in school can certainly be carriers to each other, to the school staff and then on to home. Without question.

Everyone forgets that the original need to shut down was to "flatten the curve" -- not to "insure" that no one died. That is a goal that is too expensive for the country and the world. Also there is no evidence that staying home has done anything at all. Pure conjecture.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

EAlso there is no evidence that staying home has done anything at all. Pure conjecture.

That is ridiculous.





https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...must-continue/
"Evidence from other nations

South Korea and Italy are two of the nations with some of the greatest numbers of cases. These countries show how two completely different approaches to addressing the pandemic in its early stages can dramatically change the spread of the disease"

"Kentucky vs. Tennessee

...

The consistent difference in approach from the states has resulted in measurable difference in transmissions."

"The Bay Area implemented the most robust of the social distancing measures—a stay-at-home order—days before the rest of the state. While it is still early, recent data show that cases in the Bay Area are now growing more slowly than those in the rest of the state. As county and city leadership in the Bay Area was several steps ahead of the rest of the state for early measures, that swift action may be flattening the curve ahead of the rest of the state."

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by mdovell

The problem in reopening anything is that once something opens you're going to see a flood of people go to that as "it's open".

I'm sorry but there is something I won't go back to especially if it's packed for months. There's no way I'm going to go into a movie theater with dozens of people in it watching the same screen. There's no way I'm going to a music concert if there is hundreds of people, especially if it's not outdoors.

Originally Posted by Bridge781

In have no idea when they will open things like movie theaters and malls. You can bet I won’t there anytime soon even when they do open. I really don’t know who would be there other than teens who aren’t watched by their parents maybe?

I have no plans to change anything until there's a safe, working vaccine. IMO, reopening at this point is a huge mistake...and will be a disaster.

[Bridge781]

Originally Posted by redplum33

I have no plans to change anything until there's a safe, working vaccine. IMO, reopening at this point is a huge mistake...and will be a disaster.

I think there’s a great divide. People who want the shutdown/social distancing to continue and people who just want things to be how they were before all of this.