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Old 07-19-2020, 08:45 PM
 
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I disagree but don't want to engage in debate, as the Coronavirus master thread has plenty of it . As I said, the Gov favored public health, not just hospital capacity, as the main criterion, and this is the result.
I respect your opinion. I'm just a realist, and realize that a virus isn't going to disappear and we will have to deal with it. I think many thought it would go away.
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Old 07-20-2020, 05:06 AM
 
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I do agree MA and much of the northeast got hit early. I have a different opinion that as long as the hospitals weren't overloaded they should have opened up right after. I still think it was completely unconstitutional for the government to decide which businesses could and can't open and when.
If a 500 bed hospital has a few hundred COVID-19 patients, nobody in their right mind is going to have anything elective done at that facility. It’s why all the hospitals are in such tough financial shape. When hospitals opened up for elective procedures, most people still stayed away.
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Old 07-20-2020, 05:07 AM
 
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At a boy king Charlie...great job...bravo...we’re number 1 in the country for unemployment. And I thought Michael Dukakis was the worst Governor this state has ever had...not anymore
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Old 07-20-2020, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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It's the same website that was showing us at 0.7 a few weeks ago.

https://rt.live/us/MA
I'm no data scientist, so I may be wrong, but I don't know how you could accurately measure Rt without universal testing and contact tracing. Seems like it's more of a best guess based on available data.
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Old 07-20-2020, 07:13 AM
 
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I'm no data scientist, so I may be wrong, but I don't know how you could accurately measure Rt without universal testing and contact tracing. Seems like it's more of a best guess based on available data.
Everything is “a best guess based on available data”. You don’t need contact tracing. You need a perfect test that is given to everyone frequently to get an exact number for transmission rate. The test has a 30% false negative rate. The only people being tested frequently work in health care jobs like CNA at a nursing home. I think it’s a pretty good approximation.
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Old 07-20-2020, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Everything is “a best guess based on available data”. You don’t need contact tracing. You need a perfect test that is given to everyone frequently to get an exact number for transmission rate. The test has a 30% false negative rate. The only people being tested frequently work in health care jobs like CNA at a nursing home. I think it’s a pretty good approximation.
This is true, of course, but I'm throwing a ton of extra emphasis on the guess part. Like, it's a total guess. To me, a 30% false negative rate and limited testing for the general population outside of healthcare positions (despite the personal stories being reported here) don't add up to any sort of credible Rt factor.
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Old 07-20-2020, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts & Hilton Head, SC
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At a boy king Charlie...great job...bravo...we’re number 1 in the country for unemployment. And I thought Michael Dukakis was the worst Governor this state has ever had...not anymore
Oh, I think Dukakis was much worse. He would have wanted to raise taxes in the middle of all this.

You have a short memory.
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Old 07-20-2020, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Woburn, MA / W. Hartford, CT
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At a boy king Charlie...great job...bravo...we’re number 1 in the country for unemployment. And I thought Michael Dukakis was the worst Governor this state has ever had...not anymore
Unemployment will recover. The lives lost won't. How hard is that to comprehend?
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Old 07-20-2020, 08:57 AM
 
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Unemployment will recover. The lives lost won't. How hard is that to comprehend?
Apparently is really hard for many until it touches them directly. I read so many "I didn't think it was a big deal and my I am really sick, people really need to pay attention" stories.
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Old 07-20-2020, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Woburn, MA / W. Hartford, CT
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Everything is “a best guess based on available data”. You don’t need contact tracing. You need a perfect test that is given to everyone frequently to get an exact number for transmission rate. The test has a 30% false negative rate. The only people being tested frequently work in health care jobs like CNA at a nursing home. I think it’s a pretty good approximation.
I thought only the rapid test from Abbott has a 30% false negative rate?
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