Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Boston, Washington: shingles, similarities, muscle)

[porterhouse]

109 new cases reported today. Happier now?

If you’re going to cherry one number and freak out, feel free. You should realize that one day’s numbers mean very little and a number reported on a given day can represent cases reaching back weeks. The data trends are very solid at this point.

[Bridge781]

It really isn’t changing my life one way or the other at this point. Numbers could be 0 and people are still going to want schools closed because of all the what ifs.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by Bridge781

It really isn’t changing my life one way or the other at this point. Numbers could be 0 and people are still going to want schools closed because of all the what ifs.

New Study Finds High Levels of Virus in Children with COVID-19


"A newly released study from researchers at Massachusetts General Hospital (MGH) and Mass General Hospital for Children (MGHfC) claims children play a larger role in the community spread of COVID-19 than previously thought."



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTYyBeUjh1c

[BostonMike7]

Only a partial day of reporting, not a full 24 hours like normal, hence the smaller reported cases.

[LeavingMA]

Originally Posted by OutdoorLover

Here is a timeline of vaccine innovation:
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/all

It is so maddening, that many decades after we have beaten back: polio, smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, tuberculosis, rabies, hepatitis, whooping cough, rotavirus, diptheria, etc - the safety and efficacy of vaccines has been demonstrated MANY times as a miracle of modern medicine, banishing countless deadly diseases, and yet, NOW people decide that vaccines are unsafe, that they cause health problems, that they don't work, that they are a dark conspiracy! How can people be so ignorant???

The difference is most of those vaccines took at least 10 years to develop, and many still had issues. For some reason in 30 years we couldn't develop a corona virus vaccine and we can do it now in like 8 months. Many times they tried to create a corona virus vaccine it weakened their immune system. Why we aren't telling people to get healthy and boost their immune system is beyond me. Instead everyone sits and waits for some miracle cure, a vaccine, when most are 30 to 40% effective at much.

[LeavingMA]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Because as a public health thing, you want as many people vaccinated as possible to protect those who can’t tolerate the vaccine or who aren’t vaccinated. 18 and under is a Petri dish whether they’re remote schooling or not. Under age 5 is much higher health risk with flu so you want all the school age children who are around them to be vaccinated.

Wrong, when people under about 60, and especially those that are healthy have very low risk. The average death of this virus is around 78 with the majority having at least one major underlying condition. Why would you force a vaccine on younger people when they will survive and you don't know the side effects of a so called vaccine. The only people that maybe should be considered with a vaccine are those very high risk.

It isn't as much of a public health thing as perceived. It is basically if unhealthy or major underlying conditions then those people need to be careful. Why we force healthy and younger people and scare them; well, this is a first time ever.

If it is a public health thing, let us take anyone who is a bad driver off the road. Yes, we have tests for that, but stupid accidents all the time, but we still don't take those people off the road. At least with the scared, they can stay home.

[OutdoorLover]

Originally Posted by LeavingMA

The difference is most of those vaccines took at least 10 years to develop, and many still had issues. For some reason in 30 years we couldn't develop a corona virus vaccine and we can do it now in like 8 months. Many times they tried to create a corona virus vaccine it weakened their immune system. Why we aren't telling people to get healthy and boost their immune system is beyond me. Instead everyone sits and waits for some miracle cure, a vaccine, when most are 30 to 40% effective at much.

That's not true. It varies significantly for different vaccines, but most are more like 80% effective.

[OutdoorLover]

Here is an August 20 Covid-19 situational update from CDC head Robert Redfield. He's speaking with JAMA Network's Dr Howard Bauchner. It's informative, and he's clearly a lot more relaxed in a professional rather than a political environment.
https://edhub.ama-assn.org/jn-learni...layer/18534662

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by LeavingMA

Wrong, when people under about 60, and especially those that are healthy have very low risk. The average death of this virus is around 78 with the majority having at least one major underlying condition.

COVID-19 can put anyone in the hospital and often with debilitating symptoms that could last for the rest of your life. Only a total moron would merely look at the death rate. Polio has a low mortality rate. You want to get the polio virus? No thanks.



There's all kinds of evidence of cardiac damage. For example, Red Sox pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez is out for the year with COVID-19 heart condition. He's 27 and a professional athlete. Nobody knows if he'll ever pitch again.

A German study examined the cardiac MRIs of 100 people who had recovered from Covid-19 and compared them to heart images from 100 people who were similar but not infected with the virus. Their average age was 49 and two-thirds of the patients had recovered at home. More than two months later, infected patients were more likely to have troubling cardiac signs than people in the control group: 78 patients showed structural changes to their hearts, 76 had evidence of a biomarker signaling cardiac injury typically found after a heart attack, and 60 had signs of inflammation.

These were relatively young, healthy patients who fell ill in the spring, Valentina Puntmann, who led the MRI study, pointed out in an interview. Many of them had just returned from ski vacations. None of them thought they had anything wrong with their hearts.

From the CDC:


COVID-19 hospitalization rate relative to the age 18-29 comparison group



30-39 years2x higher
40-49 years 3x higher
50-64 years 4x higher
65-74 years 5x higher
75-84 years 8x higher
85+ years13x higher

[OutdoorLover]

If anyone thinks that scientists are laying down on the job re Covid-19, check out the Milliken Institute's Covid-19 Treatment and Vaccine Tracker. Currently there are 316 treatments and 203 vaccines under investigation!
https://covid-19tracker.milkeninstitute.org/