Coronavirus in Massachusetts (poverty, farmer, between)

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

His guess was closer then Dr Fauci. If someone has a bad heart condition or heart attack and has coronavirus the death is listed as corona virus. In one country someone got hit by a bus and had corona virus and it was listed as a death by cornona virus. some of the people dying anyway from non corona virus issues are listed as corona virus deaths.

Fox News talking point, I guess they're achieving their objectives!

But seriously, if you're going to make this point, you should look at all the "undiagnosed" and therefore underreported COVID-19 estimates also. Questioning and politicizing death toll numbers is extremely counterproductive when the focus should be on how to get past this surge, and plan for the future.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by sawyer2

Dr Drew is your counter? Really?

https://streamable.com/l8agkx

And now he is trying to use copyright/DCMA to take down those YouTube videos that show how wrong he was.

Drew Pinsky is a fraud and always has been. I have no idea why anyone would take anything he says seriously https://www.nickiswift.com/26338/ske...ryone-ignores/

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

I don't see how anyone can say social distancing is working.

Because it IS working. Look at the places that have practiced it vs. the places that have not, then get back to us.

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

1. Plenty of people still get the flu during holiday weekends etc. That is a time of social distancing with most people out of work and not shopping.

People are socially distancing on the holidays??? Certainly news to me!

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

2. First it was social distancing then it was "lock down" still have 33k cases a day.

No we are not in "lock down". You have no idea what that looks like. And those 33K cases a day were contracted over a week (possibly 2 or 3 weeks) ago. You really don't know that?

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

3. Then lock own wasn't enough and we are wearing masks and gloves, still 33K cases a day.

Again, there is no lock down. No need to wear masks and gloves alone and in your own home.

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

4. Soon we will be in full hazmats at home in lock down and people will still be screaming for more restrictions.

You said this 10 days ago:

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

I still say we are cresting. Though it might go up 400 or down 2000... if we are not seeing large jumps each day... we are not going to be seeing them. I say about 7 days from now we will start seeing declines.

No offense but your credibility is not exactly running on the high octane stuff right now.

[sawyer2]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

Not only where his models wrong other experts models where wrong.

This is a new virus.

Epidemiological models, by nature and design, are constantly evolving and are modified as data becomes available, and as we increase our understanding of the infectivity, lethality, treatment success, spread, persistence, population dynamics and many, many other contributing factors.

[sawyer2]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Drew Pinsky is a fraud and always has been. I have no idea why anyone would take anything he says seriously https://www.nickiswift.com/26338/ske...ryone-ignores/

Yup, he should have stuck with Loveline ... at least that had some mindless entertainment value

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

Fox News talking point, I guess they're achieving their objectives!

But seriously, if you're going to make this point, you should look at all the "undiagnosed" and therefore underreported COVID-19 estimates also. Questioning and politicizing death toll numbers is extremely counterproductive when the focus should be on how to get past this surge, and plan for the future.

There are no politics here and i dont watch fox news. I get my news from alternative media.

ya lets talk about the undiagnosed and unnderreported cases which proves so many people are asymptomatic that the death rate for this virus for people who get it is alot lower. look the chances of you getting corona virus is not that high. its a 100 percent gaurentee that if the goverment keeps preventing buisnesses from operating people will not be able to feed their kids. it will cause an extreme increase in homelessness. with poverty comes death. we have to way the risks. I am not saying there should be no reguloations but my idea is the best.

you have all the people who can work from home work from home. you pratice social distancing when you can but you have any buisness to be open that wants too. if you dont want to take the risk and you think you might be compromised stay home. open resturaunts and barber shops. I would even let there be restrictions on how many in a restaurant but the point is people would still be able to eat at the restaurant or buisness and let the buisness still function without going belly up.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by sawyer2

This is a new virus.

Epidemiological models, by nature and design, are constantly evolving and are modified as data becomes available, and as we increase our understanding of the infectivity, lethality, treatment success, spread, persistence, population dynamics and many, many other contributing factors.

then why give any predictions to begin with? Dr Fauci could of just said we dont know how serious this is yet.

[jayrandom]

Originally Posted by sawyer2

Yup, he should have stuck with Loveline ... at least that had some mindless entertainment value

I have a soft spot for Dr. Drew because he worked at the mental hospital where they’d seen the unusually large percentage of kids from my college that needed to go to a mental hospital. Pre celebrity-rehab Dr. Drew was absolutely a serious addiction medicine specialist. Too many years of surrounding himself with non-doctor celebrities has clearly convinced him he knows about stuff (like epidemiology) where he should absolutely keep his mouth shut.

[Steephill2]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

then why give any predictions to begin with? Dr Fauci could of just said we dont know how serious this is yet.

It’s almost like watching the tv forecast for a big blizzard to see how much snow and how strong the winds are. The meteorologist is gonna try to predict I presume for everyone to prepare accordingly. They are probably gonna be off initially, but adjust their forecast based on the latest images. Can you imagine watching tv and they say a blizzard is coming but sorry we are not gonna tell you how much snow we are gonna get or wind gusts, not even an estimate. Other than reaching for the Farmer’s almanac, its probably our best option.

[jayrandom]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

then why give any predictions to begin with? Dr Fauci could of just said we dont know how serious this is yet.

To scare people into listening to him.

In two to five years we will know exactly what was done wrong. It may turn out we under-reacted. Simply staying below projections isn’t really evidence we’ve overreacted.