07-12-2008, 09:44 AM
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Hi, I am moving from Louisville, KY to the Boston area in January. My company is relocating to Burlington and I am wanting to find a nice house under $500K in the area. Can anyone give a quick assessment of the local neighborhoods? I am relocating with my wife and toddler. I appreciate any feedback in advance. Below are some other questions I have:
1. Are the winters really that bad? Will a rear wheel drive car be sufficient?
2. Is the traffic really that bad? Will be a big adjustment from KY to Boston....
3. What are the best areas around Burlington to live?
Thanks,
Brad
07-12-2008, 10:10 AM
Location: Newton, Mass.
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Getting a house in your price range will be much easier by virtue of working in Burlington as you can live west of there, and things get more affordable as you get farther from Boston. The homes will still likely be more expensive for the size, etc. than in the Louisville area. They are also often older, especially closer to Boston, which is often something people coming from outside New England don't like. In my experience, while it's possible to get a older house with problems, overall they are much better made and have more character. Until this year I never lived in anything built after 1930, but I have lived in some very good houses.
The traffic out that way is not as bad as driving all the way into Boston. I have been to Louisville for a couple of days, but not in rush hour commuting circumstances, so I'm not sure how it would compare. The area west of Burlington gets pretty rural and quiet, a lot of the density is to the SE inside Rt 128, closer to Boston.
It will be a big adjustment culture wise, but I wouldn't worry too much about the winter driving. Most people I know have rear-wheel drive and they are fine. Depending on the year, the roads are clear of snow most of the time even in the winter. Last year there was a lot of snow in the Boston area but no snow at all in New York, just a quarter of an inch once, so it depends on where the "snow line" is in a given year. Right after a storm the roads might be lousy, but they are generally cleaned up pretty quickly, at least the major ones, and people just proceed with caution. If you are concerned you should ask AAA or look online for some winter driving tips. If (which has been rare for me) you start to skid or whatever, it will be good to know how best to react. Personally, though, for me and most people I know, the issue in winter is not driving safety but just that it's cold and you can't do much outside, and it lasts too long.
You might want to look in Bedford next door, though it runs more expensive for what you'd get than other towns a bit farther away. Acton, Boxboro, Westford, Littleton, Harvard, Stow might fit. Most have very good schools. Acton-Boxboro HS alao had a long streak of victories in football until a couple of years ago (50+ straight wins). Other possibilities might be Reading and North Reading to the east.
07-12-2008, 11:11 AM
Location: Dallas
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1. Are the winters really that bad? Will a rear wheel drive car be sufficient?
2. Is the traffic really that bad? Will be a big adjustment from KY to Boston....
3. What are the best areas around Burlington to live?
Here's a temp comparison chart:
Climatology Comparison for Boston, MA (02120) - weather.com
Usually about three days a year I curse myself for not having AWD, but I am very used to Boston traffic. If you don't want to upgrade your vehicle, you should just plan to do less extensive driving at first. Explore when then weather is good and traffic is moderate.
Burlington and all the surrounding towns are posh suburbs well removed from downtown Boston. If you live in Burlington or and adjacent town and don't need to get on 128 (95), you will have no stress driving at all (barring winter weather).
Stressful driving in that area is 128. 128 has some of the most aggressive drivers on the planet. Get used to it by yourself before you take the family on it. Also there are plenty of nice scenic roads that meander through the quaint Boston suburbs you can use as a alternative like routes 2, 2a, 3, or 60. I rather enjoy those routes. You will too.
Downtown Boston & the shores are fab. You'll like the many amenities the area has to offer. Other than the weather and the drivers, the one thing you're bound to miss is the neighborliness of the old south. It is in the culture of Bostonia that be polite we mind our own business so as to not intrude upon others with small talk. Polite is proper, nosy is not.
07-13-2008, 05:47 AM
Location: Tolland County- Northeastern CT
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Boston proper is a USA zone 6/7- though Cape Anne around Gloucester is a zone 7- the 'South Shore'- Quincy. Weymouth, Duxbury to Plymouth and Cape Cod all a zone 7. The climate to the west and northwest will be slightly colder.
Louisville is a borderline USDA zone 6/7. What does this mean?- a zone 7 has a minimal winter temperature of 0, a zone 6 at -10.
Additionally for 90 degree or better days Boston has 14 & 1 day 100 or better.
Louisville 35 90 degrees or more days 3 days 100 or better
First Frost Boston October 21 Louisville October 21
Snow Boston 41 Louisville 16
Zero degree days Boston 1 Louisville 2
Boston and Louisville climates are somewhat alike; The differences are this; Louisville is landlocked- which means it warms faster without a large body of water to cool it off in the summer as Boston. Boston is actually as mild as Louisville as shown by the zero degree days in the winter- again the proximity to the Ocean keeps Boston a tad milder in the winter. Boston receives more snow due to its coastal location- seeing nor' easters which can bring large amounts from 1 or 2 storms.
Boston has 99 days at freezing or below in the winter, while Louisville has 92. (32 degrees or lower)
For its northern Location, Boston's climate is quite moderate.
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07-13-2008, 08:03 AM
Location: Westwood, MA
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The winter in Boston isn't all that bad. It does get a bit cold, but as long as you bundle up and are ok with missing winter golf you'll be fine. I grew up in Louisiana and California and can tell you it's definitely bearable, especially if you're prepared for it. What is a bit shocking is how early the sun sets in the wintertime--as early as 4:12 PM. That is taking a while to get used to (it's a combination of being further North and further East, in the summer sunrise is as early as 5:08 AM).
Acton, Harvard, Stow are all great school districts, but I don't think I'd call any of those towns "local" to Burlington. Harvard, for instance, is a 35 minute drive from Burlington without traffic.
There are so many good cities and towns that are really local to Burlington in your price range that I wouldn't look all the way out there unless you really don't like the area. Some suggestions would be Wakefield, Melrose, Reading, North Reading, Wilmington, Bedford, and even Burlington itself. If you have to have the very best schools, the other places mentioned before will win out, but they'll add as much as an hour to your daily commute, so don't just look that far unless you really have to.
07-13-2008, 10:42 AM
Location: Cambridge, MA
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Half a mil won't go nearly as far here as it would in "Loovull," but it should serve you well. Burlington may be dominated by major mall sprawl, but it has some quiet and pleasant postwar-to-70's neighborhoods once you turn off 3A. Neighboring Woburn (to the south/southeast) and Billerica (north) are similarly equipped. The quality of the public schools in each community is mid-range. Just beyond Woburn, headed toward Boston on Route 3, lies Winchester - very well-to-do, with academic excellence and pricy homes to match. In today's market you could quite possibly snare a Winchester residence without going out of your range. The same would hold true for Burlington's southwest neighbors Lexington and Bedford. Closer still to the city lies Arlington, where the selection of dwellings would be more abundant but the once better-than-average school system is feeling the effects of repeated defeats of property-tax-override ballot items. (Blame it on the town's demographics, as an influx of young families priced out of Cambridge and wealthier suburbs hasn't caught up to the aging of the incumbent population.)
Greater Boston does feel winter more than Louisville, but as has been stated the mass-transit and highway maintenance crews may stumble at first but they hit their stride pretty quickly. We have more than enough "too darn hot" days in the summertime to make you feel at home, lol.
Some quick thumbnail comparisons: Bardstown Rd = Massachusetts Ave from Boston through Cambridge to Arlington (and onward to the suburban towns beyond)
Burlington, Billerica, Woburn = J-Town, Valley Station, Radcliffe
4th of July fireworks = Thunder Over Louisville, divided by two w/some subtraction lol
Churchill Downs = Suffolk Downs; our ponies run inside a shack and you have a castle
Cardinals = Minutemen (once in the '90s and maybe again someday)
Belle of Louisville = No paddlewheeler here, but we have the USS Constitution
Happy relo!
07-13-2008, 06:51 PM
Location: Washington, DC
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1) The winters can be bad here so it's always good to prepare. I also have rear wheel drive and some days in the winter can be brutal.
2) Traffic should not be bad at all if you're working in Burlington and living in the general area. Especially if you live south of Burlington since you'll be going against any traffic heading to Boston.
3) I would say Lexington is your best bet as far as a nice town goes near Burlington.
08-02-2008, 11:20 AM
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Thanks you to everyone who took the time to post replies to my questions. Lot's of great information that I really appreciate.
I do feel much better about my weather and traffic issues after having read some of the comments above. However, my circumstances have now changed in that my assignment in Burlington will only be about 12 - 18 mos. It probably doesn't make sense to purchase a home, but finding a house for rent may be an issue. Especially for my family who has two large dogs and are used to lot's of space and a big back yard. Anyone have any suggestion on the buy versus rent issue?
Thanks,
Brad
08-02-2008, 03:51 PM
Location: Beautiful New England
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It probably doesn't make sense to purchase a home, but finding a house for rent may be an issue. Especially for my family who has two large dogs and are used to lot's of space and a big back yard. Anyone have any suggestion on the buy versus rent issue?
If you're sure that you're only going to be around temporarily, then buying should probably be avoided. The closing costs and possible difficulty reselling in a soft market would both be significant downsides to buying. But finding a big house to rent that allows dogs could be a tough bill -- I'd suggest looking in a wide area.
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Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)