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Old 10-30-2010, 11:38 PM
 
Location: ATL with a side of Chicago
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I can tell you that for autism that DOES NOT happen because AFAIK, there are NO drugs FDA-approved for the treatment of autism specifically. None. Zero.

So, there you go. Somebody told you.

As far as who's making bucks off autism, it's all the nature food companies and naturopaths and air chamber hucksters, etc., etc...NOT accredited, certified MDs or other doctors.** When doctors DO tell parents, "There's no pill for this, there's no cure, there's just years and years of hard, hard work on the part of your child," parents flock to the curbie stations (not pointing fingers...I did the same thing, for a brief while, as I described). The LAST people who want this is the pharmaceutical companies. So...you're rather on the wrong track here. In more ways than I can even mention in the scope of one post.

PLEASE, PLEASE do some research, any research at all before claiming to inform others of what the truth is about autism, about AS specifically, etc.


**ETA: Which is not to say I don't believe in going the natural way. I fully do. I don't have any extraordinary amount of trust in Big Medicine, trust me. And I DO believe that what we eat, breathe, bathe in will all have an effect, one way or another. In fact, I'm currently gluten-free myself and am thinking of dragging the whole family back into it, as one example. But deciding ASD is phony because the drug companies have money to make off of it is so opposite the reality, it isn't even funny. I mean really. Do your homework! Or at least talk to a real person with autism or a real parent of a real person with autism.
JerZ, I wish I could rep you for every post you've made here.
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Old 10-30-2010, 11:43 PM
 
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Please don't put words in my mouth. In my last post, I took pains to say I am NOT TALKING ABOUT AUTISM . . . this thread was not a thread about AUTISM. I KNOW LITTLE TO NOTHING ABOUT AUTISM. I know Asperger's is supposedly "high level functioning" on the Autism spectrum BUT I BELIEVE THERE IS A LOT OF CONTROVERSY ABOUT THAT . . . so again, please stop talking to me about Autism . . . Thank you!
Again...WTF?! Where are you getting your information? JerZ is correct when she said the DSM V is doing away with the Asperger's diagnosis and just calling it "autism".

I'll bold it for you, since you seem to like that, so much: ASPERGER'S = AUTISM. At the risk of confusing you further: All aspies are autistic. Not all autistics are aspies.
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Old 10-30-2010, 11:56 PM
 
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There is disagreement that Asperger's is on the Autism spectrum. One feature of so-called Asperger's that the OP initially referred to is ill-mannered behavior. It is getting late, but if you or anyone else googles "Asperger's meltdown temper tantrum," you will find a lot of references. This is the feature of Asperger's that I heard about as being prevalent talked about in school settings. Here is one link:My Aspergers Child: Temper Tantrums and Meltdowns

I am going to bow out of the discussion tonight. Hopefully the OP will pick up the original intent. As I said, the thread has devolved into a controversy about Autism and that was not the original direction of the thread. I can understand how that happened if you think that Asperger's is a REAL, actual syndrome and that it is on the Autism spectrum, therefore a sub-set of Autism or a form of "high functioning" Autism. This is where the disagreement is coming in because I do not "believe" in Asperger's . . . I think it is totally made-up . . . I also read through a brief google search that some of the behavior problems associated with "Asperger's" ARE medicated via anti-anxiety types of drugs . . .

Now back to your regular programming. Again: I am no Autism expert and don't "believe" in Asperger's as an actual thing.
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Old 10-31-2010, 12:01 AM
 
Location: ATL with a side of Chicago
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There is disagreement that Asperger's is on the Autism spectrum. One feature of so-called Asperger's that the OP initially referred to is ill-mannered behavior. It is getting late, but if you or anyone else googles "Asperger's meltdown temper tantrum," you will find a lot of references. This is the feature of Asperger's that I heard about as being prevalent talked about in school settings. Here is one link:My Aspergers Child: Temper Tantrums and Meltdowns

I am going to bow out of the discussion tonight. Hopefully the OP will pick up the original intent. As I said, the thread has devolved into a controversy about Autism and that was not the original direction of the thread. I can understand how that happened if you think that Asperger's is a REAL, actual syndrome and that it is on the Autism spectrum, therefore a sub-set of Autism or a form of "high functioning" Autism. This is where the disagreement is coming in because I do not "believe" in Asperger's . . . I think it is totally made-up . . . I also read through a brief google search that some of the behavior problems associated with "Asperger's" ARE medicated via anti-anxiety types of drugs . . .

Now back to your regular programming. Again: I am no Autism expert and don't "believe" in Asperger's as an actual thing.
I don't even know how to reply to you. GOOGLE? Are you effing kidding me? You can find just about anything on google. Whatever stupid belief one has, it'll be there. I do not need Google to tell me what a meltdown is, thank you. I actually take my son to real people, specialists, neurologists at Emory, Vanderbilt, the Marcus Institute. Do you not read what you post? Do you not see how idiotic all this purple mumbo jumbo you're spewing out looks?? Are you just randomly hitting keys and they're coincidentally forming words? And Google was the punchline. Good one!

Some "behaviors" are medicated, yes. But read slowly...THERE ARE NO DRUGS FOR AUTISM/ASPERGERS. Anxiety? Yes. There are meds for symptoms. Do you not see the difference between a symptom and a disorder? Of course you don't. You don't BELIEVE. And you rely on Google.

I'm beginning to think you're just doing this to get a rise out of those of us who have kids with Asperger's or autism. And a temper tantrum and a meltdown is like comparing a light rain shower to a hurricane.

Yeah, I think you'd best step out of this argument. You're only making yourself look bad, because you have no idea what you're talking about. How can you think something doesn't exist if you know nothing about it?

I'd find this funny if it wasn't so unbelievably pathetic. And I also find it oddly amusing that someone with a username of "imcurious" has no willingness to learn.

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Old 10-31-2010, 01:15 AM
 
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The men on here attempt to tell the women the truth and they blame any number of disorders for this.

Of course, they have no such problems. Well perhaps a "disassociative aversion to truth" syndrome.
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Old 10-31-2010, 01:39 AM
 
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I too am tired of the number of people I know (not speaking just of the forum boards) that are quick to point to ADHD, Aspergers, ADD, Fibromyalgia... especially in RL.

I know someone with a child who was misdiagnosed as autistic. As she got older, she was rediagnosed as simply LD. Does it make their child easier to deal with? No. I also know one child with GENUINE ADHD. Very difficult on him and his parents. His mother is my best friend and I have had to take breaks from him myself at times, just to preserve my sanity AND leave him breathing. We lived across the street from a very nice family who had a son with Aspergers. It's rough on everyone.

I've also known people who have claimed their child was Aspergers... though his high-sugar diet, late nights, and hectic lifestyle seems to have cured him now that he's 13.

My aunt has claimed to have Fibromyalgia for close to 21 years now - and all the typical "helps" for it can't help her... unfortunately, her form of Fibro is very rare. It requires constant pity and attention. Her 18 year old grandson now claims that the Navy diagnosed him with it during his MEPS physical through some very complicated tests - way too complicated for me to understand.

And that boy's poor mother has diabetes II. She was diagnosed at the age of 35. Luckily for her, extensive liposuction would cure her, whereas a change in her diet and exercise might kill her.

I've had a Brownie in my troop whose mother wrote down "severe peanut allergy" on her health form. Of course, it was a miracle that the Snickers bar she was eating as mom dropped her off one night shortly after Halloween didn't kill her. Neither did the 3 Reese's she snuck off to eat while claiming to need a potty break.

I have another cousin who has regaled us all of her daughter's battle with Celiac disease - they lived so far away, we all just 'felt' for her. Then, we moved closer and they were coming to visit. I wanted her daughter to feel included, so I did a bunch of research on the foods she could eat. I was overwhelmed when I realized that to make her any food at all, I'd have to buy new pots and pans and even baking it in my oven might harm her! Imagine my relief when I called her in a panic that simply sitting in my kitchen might kill her child, and suggesting we do it at HER house and she suggested we eat out. We ended up meeting at the Olive Garden, where her daughter had no problems eating 3 bowls/portions of their "never ending pasta bowl".

These are just a few of the stories I know PERSONALLY. I know there are people out there with these diseases, genuinely. But in my personal experience, most are just misdiagnosed personality disorders.
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Old 10-31-2010, 02:04 AM
 
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psychiatry and psychology are some of the most foolish areas of study available.
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Old 10-31-2010, 02:58 AM
 
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I read an article not long ago about the CAT scans done left and right for nothing. It makes your skin crawl! Who knows what even these ultrasounds do?! Can't you friggin' wait to know the gender of your baby?! People somehow managed throughout history! Noooo, instant gratification! I didn't know you can get radiation by just being around cancer patients who've received it. God help those who work there!
You can't "get radiation by just being around someone who has received it" unless it is given as a radioactive isotope, and those patients should absolutely follow their doctor's directions after treatment.

Yes, too many xrays are done.

Risk from obstetric ultrasound probably very low, but there should be an indication for the test. The baby's gender is usually determined during a scan that is primarily done to detect birth defects. The benefits of ultrasound far outweigh any theoretical risks.

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Old 10-31-2010, 04:09 AM
 
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I too am tired of the number of people I know (not speaking just of the forum boards) that are quick to point to ADHD, Aspergers, ADD, Fibromyalgia... especially in RL.

I know someone with a child who was misdiagnosed as autistic. As she got older, she was rediagnosed as simply LD. Does it make their child easier to deal with? No. I also know one child with GENUINE ADHD. Very difficult on him and his parents. His mother is my best friend and I have had to take breaks from him myself at times, just to preserve my sanity AND leave him breathing. We lived across the street from a very nice family who had a son with Aspergers. It's rough on everyone.

I've also known people who have claimed their child was Aspergers... though his high-sugar diet, late nights, and hectic lifestyle seems to have cured him now that he's 13.

My aunt has claimed to have Fibromyalgia for close to 21 years now - and all the typical "helps" for it can't help her... unfortunately, her form of Fibro is very rare. It requires constant pity and attention. Her 18 year old grandson now claims that the Navy diagnosed him with it during his MEPS physical through some very complicated tests - way too complicated for me to understand.

And that boy's poor mother has diabetes II. She was diagnosed at the age of 35. Luckily for her, extensive liposuction would cure her, whereas a change in her diet and exercise might kill her.

I've had a Brownie in my troop whose mother wrote down "severe peanut allergy" on her health form. Of course, it was a miracle that the Snickers bar she was eating as mom dropped her off one night shortly after Halloween didn't kill her. Neither did the 3 Reese's she snuck off to eat while claiming to need a potty break.

I have another cousin who has regaled us all of her daughter's battle with Celiac disease - they lived so far away, we all just 'felt' for her. Then, we moved closer and they were coming to visit. I wanted her daughter to feel included, so I did a bunch of research on the foods she could eat. I was overwhelmed when I realized that to make her any food at all, I'd have to buy new pots and pans and even baking it in my oven might harm her! Imagine my relief when I called her in a panic that simply sitting in my kitchen might kill her child, and suggesting we do it at HER house and she suggested we eat out. We ended up meeting at the Olive Garden, where her daughter had no problems eating 3 bowls/portions of their "never ending pasta bowl".

These are just a few of the stories I know PERSONALLY. I know there are people out there with these diseases, genuinely. But in my personal experience, most are just misdiagnosed personality disorders.
Yes, I've known many like that, too. It just makes it all the more frustrating for those of us who have a real day-to-day struggle. Asperger's (and I'm just going to talk about AS in particular, because imcurious pointed it out specifically as not real), is so much more than "temper tantrums". But it's nearly impossible to describe without writing a novel. And, honestly, it's a waste of my time to try to convince someone like that of anything. She admits having no knowledge of it, and, apparently, wouldn't have it any other way.

Just like on the autistic spectrum, there are varying degrees of Asperger's. Many are able to live fairly normal lives. My son is considered "high functioning", but that doesn't mean what I think most people take it to mean. It means he's able to talk, tie his own shoes, brush his own teeth. His brain is wired differently. Over the summer, he had several meltdowns which resulted in us calling 911. They were psychotic breaks - HUGE difference from a "temper tantrum". He was completely out of his mind, and became violent. It's truly frightening. THAT is the kind of symptom we are treating, because he is a danger to himself and others, so he takes an antipsychotic, which has, thankfully, gotten that under control. His tics were so pronounced he couldn't sit still. He'd jerk his head around so much he couldn't even watch tv. That's not bad behavior. He was miserable! He wasn't harming anyone. He was medicated to reduce the tics. But, even if all those symptoms are treated, it doesn't change the fact that he's has Asperger's. Asperger's is about how the brain processes information.

I work with kids and adults on the Spectrum, and there are so many common traits among them, but so many differences, as well. Just like not all "neurotypicals" are the same, not all people on the spectrum are the same. Not all Aspies are the same.

I don't know what's up with the sudden "fake" peanut allergy stuff... I hadn't heard about that. My son is allergic to peanuts, but only if he touches them (or any products with them), or eats them. Just having them in the same room won't bother him. He's been allergic as long as he's been aware, so he's very careful to ask if anything he's about to eat has peanuts. But fake? Nope. Can't fake anaphalaxis. And most kids would rather not be stuck with an epi-pen.

Anyway, it's late, my son has woken up (it's almost 5 am my time) because he's excited about Halloween. I really don't want to argue about whether my son has Asperger's/Autism, anymore. He does, and it's real, whether you choose to believe it, or not. The "experts" are the ones who live, care, and work with these kids, not someone who relies on Google to get their info.
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Old 10-31-2010, 07:08 AM
 
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I don't even know how to reply to you. GOOGLE? Are you effing kidding me? You can find just about anything on google. Whatever stupid belief one has, it'll be there. I do not need Google to tell me what a meltdown is, thank you. I actually take my son to real people, specialists, neurologists at Emory, Vanderbilt, the Marcus Institute. Do you not read what you post? Do you not see how idiotic all this purple mumbo jumbo you're spewing out looks?? Are you just randomly hitting keys and they're coincidentally forming words? And Google was the punchline. Good one!

Some "behaviors" are medicated, yes. But read slowly...THERE ARE NO DRUGS FOR AUTISM/ASPERGERS. Anxiety? Yes. There are meds for symptoms. Do you not see the difference between a symptom and a disorder? Of course you don't. You don't BELIEVE. And you rely on Google.

I'm beginning to think you're just doing this to get a rise out of those of us who have kids with Asperger's or autism. And a temper tantrum and a meltdown is like comparing a light rain shower to a hurricane.

Yeah, I think you'd best step out of this argument. You're only making yourself look bad, because you have no idea what you're talking about. How can you think something doesn't exist if you know nothing about it?

I'd find this funny if it wasn't so unbelievably pathetic. And I also find it oddly amusing that someone with a username of "imcurious" has no willingness to learn.
You took ALL the words right out of my mouth. I really hope he/she stops spewing out all this purple nonesense.
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