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Well, the disorders describe nothing but behaviors... Whether one can control them or not is debatable, but they're still behaviors, not illnesses.
The jury is still out on whether "disorders" are medically- or socially-based. It depends upon one's perspective. A "behavior" may be mentally-controlled, so our test subject (referred to here as "OP") may be merely "acting out", much the way a naughty four year-old would. On the opposite side of the spectrum we find that some behaviors are indeed derived from an "illness". Again, literature searches reveal little but confusion as to the application of these terms.
Much the same applies to "disorders" - they may be organic in origin, or they may simply be "bad" behaviors. Corollary symptoms such as hypochondria complicate the diagnostic process.
Conclusion: "OP" may have a valid claim to simply "acting bad", or they may simply be a real whackadoo. Further testing and implementation of a strict pharmaceutical / exploratory surgery regime would be the only possible diagnostic tool in this instance.
9 times out of 10, it's just a crutch people employ because they don't have basic self-control or just can't be bothered to be considerate of others.
It's kind of like the tired old 'alcoholism is a disease' wheeze. Alcoholism isn't a disease. It's just a behavior problem. Cancer is a disease. Diabetes is a disease. The Flu is a disease. All of those real diseases have a method of treatment that comes from scientifically-based research.
Meanwhile, guess what the prescribed treatment for alcoholism is? You stand in front of a room full of strangers and declare that you are powerless. And then you get to ramble on about yourself endlessly until doomsday, and nobody dares interrupt you lest you are thought of as unsupportive. Yet this course of 'treatment' is no more effective than calling up a witch doctor and asking him to touch you with chicken bones. By AA's own figures, somewhere around 5% of people entering their program are actually cured.
If alcoholism was truly a disease, then where are the research foundations? Where are the chemists toiling around the clock for a cure? How come there aren't any marches to raise money for alcoholism research?
So that leads me to think that it's bad behavior with the veneer of a disease to make it somehow respectable. Sorry to offend.
Cuinie, I give you one week with my son to better understand how Asperger's can manifest itself throughout the day and in different settings. I can assure you, it's not an excuse and it wasn't self-diagnosed.
Couldn't rep ya.
And the second week, he can spend with my son. Also diagnosed. I do not have autism or aspergers, however, so any outbursts on my part is me just being cranky or pissed off.
Cuinie, I give you one week with my son to better understand how Asperger's can manifest itself throughout the day and in different settings. I can assure you, it's not an excuse and it wasn't self-diagnosed.
I'm not saying disorders don't exist. I'm saying that the posters on this forum must have the worst luck imaginable because according to them every one of their exes has some sort of psychological disease
I'm not saying disorders don't exist. I'm saying that the posters on this forum must have the worst luck imaginable because according to them every one of their exes has some sort of psychological disease
Then I'll give you a week with my ex-husband, LOL.
Seriously, he's manic-depressive. But I do agree that many people are quick to throw out terms like that, which is frustrating for those who really do have to struggle with family members' or their own disorders/conditions...whatever you want to call it. Especially Asperger's. I run a Sims 2 forum, and I have so many posts in the private section by self-diagnosed Asperger's folks. Seems to be a bragging point with the "computer experts", there. It's hard to get an actual diagnosis beyond PDD NOS (pervasive developmental disorder, not otherwise specified, which basically means "autistic, but not yet determined where on the spectrum"). It involved years of testing, neuropsychologists, speech pathologists, occupational therapy, behavioral therapy, going from specialist to specialist, university to university...
Sorry. Got a little carried away. But that's why I get annoyed when someone says they have asperger's, yet have nothing to back it up, other than claiming they're "different" and don't relate to others, well, and feel they're smarter than most people. Asperger's is the "cool" syndrome to have, because most people associate it with genius.
Kinda like "bipolar" is the "cool" kind of depression to have, among the angsty emo teen crowd.
Then I'll give you a week with my ex-husband, LOL.
Seriously, he's manic-depressive. But I do agree that many people are quick to throw out terms like that, which is frustrating for those who really do have to struggle with family members' or their own disorders/conditions...whatever you want to call it. Especially Asperger's. I run a Sims 2 forum, and I have so many posts in the private section by self-diagnosed Asperger's folks. Seems to be a bragging point with the "computer experts", there. It's hard to get an actual diagnosis beyond PDD NOS (pervasive developmental disorder, not otherwise specified, which basically means "autistic, but not yet determined where on the spectrum). It involved years of testing, neuropsychologists, speech pathologists, occupational therapy, behavioral therapy, going from specialist to specialist, university to university...
Sorry. Got a little carried away. But that's why I get annoyed when someone says they have asperger's, yet have nothing to back it up, other than claiming they're "different" and don't relate to others, well. Asperger's is the "cool" syndrome to have, because most people associate it with genius.
Kinda like "bipolar" is the "cool" kind of depression to have, among the angsty emo teen crowd.
I'm not saying disorders don't exist. I'm saying that the posters on this forum must have the worst luck imaginable because according to them every one of their exes has some sort of psychological disease
Although there surely ARE some wackadoos on this board, isn't it logical that it probably works the other way around -- that people who do have disorders like the ones you describe are likely to have a harder time with relationships, and that's why they're looking for advice in the first place (and hence why they come to boards like these)?
I agree with you. I am also sick of the "maybe he's autistic or has asperger's"
No maybe he's just and a$$hole!!!!!! LOL
I think a good eight times out of ten on here (will the Math Police come get me for not common-denominatoring that down to four times out of five?), people DO point out "maybe s/he's just an *sshole" on here when it's warranted.
Keep reading. You'll all the "maybe s/he's/you're just an *sshole" you can handle.
Diagnosed or not, psychological "disorders" are simply made up . . . someone clumps a bunch of symptoms together and labels it a "disease" or a malady or a "disorder." Then drug companies invent a drug to "cure" it. Meanwhile, the general public, who is none too bright, buys into it wholeheartedly, the schools promote the ideas and become doctors themselves because many teachers diagnose from the classroom . . . the real "problem" could be the kid is bored, unchallenged, the classroom is a snoozefest, the teacher might be an idiot, etc. The kid could be a genius who has the nerve to be a critical thinker . . .or might need to move around and play and not sit in a desk six hours a day while "facts" are poured into heads . . .
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I can assure you, it's not an excuse and it wasn't self-diagnosed.
