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Old 03-22-2011, 11:53 AM
 
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Anti-depressants don't work - study - National - NZ Herald News

Tens of thousands of New Zealanders are swallowing antidepressant pills that don't work, a groundbreaking study shows.

The study - one of the largest into popular drugs, including Prozac - has found the pills have no "clinically significant" effect.
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Old 03-22-2011, 11:55 AM
 
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The best cure for depression is cannabis sativa and the best cure for physical ailments is cannabis indica.
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Old 03-22-2011, 12:41 PM
 
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The best cure for depression is cannabis sativa and the best cure for physical ailments is cannabis indica.
We need to end the hypocritical prohibition of pot but let's be realistic, lots of people do have bad reactions like paranoia.
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Old 03-22-2011, 12:51 PM
 
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Paxil works for me! And if its just a placebo effect,fine! At least my crushing anxiety is gone!

Greenchili
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Old 03-22-2011, 12:54 PM
 
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oops,wasnt depressed just anxiety out the wazoo. Would have been depressed if
I couldnt have gotten it under control!
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Old 03-22-2011, 02:23 PM
 
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Beer works just fine...lol.
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:06 PM
 
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I think there are probably different types of mental illness, and for some people, anti-depressants DO work. Maybe it's the placebo effect, or maybe the pharmacology is actually doing something. I dunno. The article mentioned that the drugs can have impact on different patients, and I agree with that. I also think the drugs are possibly more beneficial when combined with "talking therapy" (psychoanalysis) and when prescribed by a psychiatrist rather than a general medical practitioner. That's just my opinion as someone who has spent 25 years of her life dealing with severe depression.

I've taken a bunch of different ones in my life -- Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Celexa -- and I'd say that in general they didn't do much for me. The last one did -- Celexa -- but it was combined with Concerta (an ADD drug), and I started taking it at the tail-end of my marriage. Was it the drug cocktail that helped...or my separation? I'm inclined to give most of the credit to the separation. (And, of course, the fact that I had a terrific therapist and was doing really great work with her.) However, I do think that that last cocktail greatly improved my memory, my coherence, and my ability to focus, and I think that was EXTRAORDINARILY helpful for my recovery at that time.

The side-effects of a couple of the drugs were often more impactful (in a negative way) than beneficial, I decided. Paxil and Zoloft and Celexa didn't have any noticeable side effects for me, but Prozac and Wellbutrin both interfered tremendously with my sleep, and Wellbutrin gave me an arrhythmia, a racing heart, and a hand-tremor.

My expectation of anti-depressants is not that they CURE depression or make one happy, but rather that they ease the worst of the depression symptoms just enough to allow the depressive to play a more active role in her recovery. I think taking the drugs without doing any kind of other (psychoanalysis) work is unlikely to yield hoped-for dramatic results. (But hey...that's just based on my own experience, and I realize everyone is different.) I think the "problem" with the drugs, however, is that people mistakenly believe that taking them is going to fix all their problems.

I also think that beneifts of tackling the physical side of depression -- through exercise, diet, regular sleep, hydration, and supplements -- cannot be overstressed. I've been "depression-free" for about 6 years now, but when I fall into a funk that lasts more than a few days, I "treat" it my focusing on my physical health. It works for me every time.
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Old 03-22-2011, 06:08 PM
 
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I think there are probably different types of mental illness, and for some people, anti-depressants DO work. Maybe it's the placebo effect, or maybe the pharmacology is actually doing something. I dunno. The article mentioned that the drugs can have impact on different patients, and I agree with that. I also think the drugs are possibly more beneficial when combined with "talking therapy" (psychoanalysis) and when prescribed by a psychiatrist rather than a general medical practitioner. That's just my opinion as someone who has spent 25 years of her life dealing with severe depression.

I've taken a bunch of different ones in my life -- Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Celexa -- and I'd say that in general they didn't do much for me. The last one did -- Celexa -- but it was combined with Concerta (an ADD drug), and I started taking it at the tail-end of my marriage. Was it the drug cocktail that helped...or my separation? I'm inclined to give most of the credit to the separation. (And, of course, the fact that I had a terrific therapist and was doing really great work with her.) However, I do think that that last cocktail greatly improved my memory, my coherence, and my ability to focus, and I think that was EXTRAORDINARILY helpful for my recovery at that time.

The side-effects of a couple of the drugs were often more impactful (in a negative way) than beneficial, I decided. Paxil and Zoloft and Celexa didn't have any noticeable side effects for me, but Prozac and Wellbutrin both interfered tremendously with my sleep, and Wellbutrin gave me an arrhythmia, a racing heart, and a hand-tremor.

My expectation of anti-depressants is not that they CURE depression or make one happy, but rather that they ease the worst of the depression symptoms just enough to allow the depressive to play a more active role in her recovery. I think taking the drugs without doing any kind of other (psychoanalysis) work is unlikely to yield hoped-for dramatic results. (But hey...that's just based on my own experience, and I realize everyone is different.) I think the "problem" with the drugs, however, is that people mistakenly believe that taking them is going to fix all their problems.

I also think that beneifts of tackling the physical side of depression -- through exercise, diet, regular sleep, hydration, and supplements -- cannot be overstressed. I've been "depression-free" for about 6 years now, but when I fall into a funk that lasts more than a few days, I "treat" it my focusing on my physical health. It works for me every time.

I totally agree about your statement about the drug easing the worst of ones symptoms so we can play an active role in our recovery! Paxil has allowed this for me,so when I wean, I know I can handle whatever symptoms I was having. Its not immpossible! But Im speaking of anxiety and not depression!
Greenchili
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Old 03-22-2011, 06:17 PM
 
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Quick Facts About Psychiatry
Citizens Commission on Human Rights, CCHR, Alternatives: The Right to be Informed.
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Old 03-22-2011, 06:24 PM
 
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Personally I prefer pot. It's cheaper and healthier. But of course DAS IS VERBOTEN!!! by the drug Nazis. And I've found a low carb (no sugar, white flour products) mostly raw food diet made a world of difference. Sugar & caffeine always make me anxious & jittery. I think it's true for a lot of people. Analogy > instead of removing the nail from their foot they take pain killers.
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