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Old 04-04-2011, 03:07 PM
 
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once you have an industry that survives on "addiction" you are going to have lots of "facts" out there supporting it.
Oh don't be absurd. Drugs have been around since the dawn of time. People were addicted to them long before they became illegal and there became an 'industry'.
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:12 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Oh don't be absurd. Drugs have been around since the dawn of time. People were addicted to them long before they became illegal and there became an 'industry'.
people made a choice to continue using drugs.
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Old 04-04-2011, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Destrehan, Louisiana
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your silly repetition of insisting i give up habits that i have that arent harmful is completely silly. why should i do that? i could easily do that if i wanted to.

A typical caned reply that same as an alcoholic would say. I can stop drinking at anytime I want.


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i havent suffered from an addiction because the notion of addiction is a falsehood. how can i suffer something that isnt real?
You have no clue about addiction. Until you walk in the shoes of an addict such as myself you will never know what addiction is.

I'm an alcoholic who stayed sober almost 20 years and started using again when my dad died 7 years ago and it took me several years to quit again and I can tell you that there's not a day that goes by that I don't think about drinking.

It gets easier as time passes but it still consumes most of my thinking while I'm awake and is a disgusting and miserable way to live.

I wouldn't wish this way of life on anyone, but if you've never been addicted then you will never understand.

busta
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Old 04-04-2011, 09:03 PM
 
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A comment was made by an American Idol contestant regarding Michael Jackson's "Pepsi moment". The family wasn't happy and said it was "nothing to make light of and everyone should be focusing on who was responsible for Michael's death."

It made me wonder, who do you think is ultimately responsible for his addiction? Was it him? The people who provided him with the drugs? Both? Does his doctor bear more responsibility because of his obligations as a doctor than, say, a drug dealer? I think his doctor should be held responsible for his role, sure. But Michael had children. Aside from the obligation he had to himself, he had a responsibility to his kids to clean himself up.

I don't know what it's like to have an addiction. But my first thought is that the first step to it lies with the addict. Then I think of the circumstances. Did they seek it out on their own? Did a friend give them their first hit? Did someone help them fall off the wagon after being clean/sober? Do you think it should be considered on a case by case basis?

What are your thoughts?
YOU are responsible for YOUR actions.
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:24 AM
 
Location: NJ
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You have no clue about addiction. Until you walk in the shoes of an addict such as myself you will never know what addiction is.
people like to use the "you dont know until you have been there" as a cop out to avoid the truth. i dont have to have walked in the shoes of an "addict" to know. i know its a choice. i dont particularly care that its a difficult choice.

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Old 05-31-2011, 05:12 PM
 
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people like to use the "you dont know until you have been there" as a cop out to avoid the truth. i dont have to have walked in the shoes of an "addict" to know. i know its a choice. i dont particularly care that its a difficult choice.
wow- seriously? a choice? your comments in this thread are beyond ignorant, they are offensive to those of us that chronic pain issues (which no one CHOOSES- you think i scream in my sleep from pain because it is a fun thing to do?) and have to take pain meds to get out of bed. 4 years since i got this damn condition and i know i am addicted to the pain meds (morphine and percocets plus some other non-narcotic meds) and if i stop taking them, besides being in excruciating pain, i will go into withdrawals...hence i am addict. your high and mighty attitude about something you have zero experience with and know nothing about yet decide to post all over this thread sure makes me wish i had the power to make you live one day in my shoes. think then you stop the sickening holier than thou attitude about addiction. it is a biochemical process. understand? take certain substances long enough and the biochemistry of your body changes, without them and the agony of withdrawals start. choice? show me where that comes into play cause i sure don't see it.
please do the internet a favor and **** and refrain from posting on a subject that you know NOTHING about.
thank you.
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Old 05-31-2011, 05:22 PM
 
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Sorry, but from one who lives it every day...addiction is a choice. You know it, deep down...but you choose it anyway. There is a difference from using medication to manage chronic pain, and addiction. If you need to, work with a specialist in chronic pain, to manage that without the cocktail of drugs you are currrently using.

Addiction is a way of life, and you hide it from others. You are angry with others for pointing out what you already know. I am an addict, I know it. I used to choose it as a method of dealing with things that were too much for me. I have changed addictions, and I could use excuses for my behavior...but ultimately, it is just my own life it destroys anyway...after having addictions for decades, you have pretty much isolated yourself, because others stay away. Addicts burn out people quickly, with their constant victim stance, and neediness. It is always about them...
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Old 05-31-2011, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Weston, FL
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I am not an addict however- I come from a family of alcoholics and I am the child of an alcoholic. I am surprised no one has mentioned the role of enablers. As long as there is co-dependency there's to agent for change. I'm not sure what is more "traumatizing" being a child of an alcoholic or being a witness to co-dependency. The responsibility to recover lives within the addict. period. However- if the addict doesnt have a way out of their tainted environment, recovery is near impossible. It takes a change on behalf of EVERYONE involved in the addicts life. However- addicts are masters at the art of lying, manipulating, controlling (whether direct or indirect) that the cycle continues for generations... I believe this same formula holds true for ALL types of addicts: overeaters, substance abuse, gamblers, pill popping, eating disorders. It all starts as a "bandage" to "fix" something in the subconscious until it snowballs out of control...

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Old 05-31-2011, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Weston, FL
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Sorry, but from one who lives it every day...addiction is a choice. You know it, deep down...but you choose it anyway. There is a difference from using medication to manage chronic pain, and addiction. If you need to, work with a specialist in chronic pain, to manage that without the cocktail of drugs you are currrently using.

Addiction is a way of life, and you hide it from others. You are angry with others for pointing out what you already know. I am an addict, I know it. I used to choose it as a method of dealing with things that were too much for me. I have changed addictions, and I could use excuses for my behavior...but ultimately, it is just my own life it destroys anyway...after having addictions for decades, you have pretty much isolated yourself, because others stay away. Addicts burn out people quickly, with their constant victim stance, and neediness. It is always about them...
I could not rep you (I suppose I already have?!) but this simple paragraphs describes literally about a dozen people close to me. Some with bonafide addictions- from the drug-addicted poverty-stricken street hustlin' cousin to the retired, pill-popping grandfather who denies they have "a problem" and to the white-collared corporate exec with the eating disorder because of "stress." They all find ways to either hide their addiction or use it to their advantage as it suits them best.
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Old 05-31-2011, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Charlotte county, Florida
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Hey all, just my 2 cents worth.

I grew up where drinking and Some drug use was considered the norm. Never my mother, she somehow avoided all of it but the rest of my family is a different story.
I spent alot of time with my family my mother was always working to raise 2 boys.
I started drinking at a very early age 10 or 11 years old i'd guess. I never really got into it more then a once in awhile thing untill I was around 16..
by then it was pretty much all over for me.

To date I have been in 7- 28 day programs and after the end of each there was never anymore physical addiction, I felt great.
I had and still have a terrible mental addiction to alcohol it is an almost everyday fight of sorts with my own head, 99% of the time I win the battle.
in the past year I have drank 4 times each time being so angry at myself for letting my head win..

Believe me when I say the mental aspect of it is 1000 times worse then detoxing and being sick for a few days.

I used to blame my family for letting me drink at the age of 10 and my Mom for allowing me to be in that environment when I was growing up.
In the end though there was a time in my life before it was to late when I should have known enough to stop.. When I knew I should not drink

So the only one to blame for my addiction is myself, not my Mother or my family or the Liquor store guy.
I continued to do something that I KNEW would eventualy lead me down this path.

Addiction is very real, and for what it's worth even though it was my choice to keep drinking all those years
by the time I finaly realised how much it was messing me up it was too late to just try to control it or "just not do it anymore"..
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