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I certainly don't agree that "entitlement cutting" is a plan to get rid of only old white people.
That said, I can see why old people would suicide. They've lived their lives and might see only deterioration of the things that matter to them.
The son of Admiral Nimitz and his wife were local people. In their late 80s, they increasingly could do less and less because of health issues. They wrote out a nice note to whomever was going to find them, and suicided together, saying that their quality of life and coming quality of life was unacceptable to them.
This seems very rational to me. I expect I will do the same. Of course, as an old boyfriend of mine with MS said, "I always reserve the right to move the goalposts."
I have empathy and sympathy for suicidal people..whether or not they are "selfish" "self-centered", etc...
What saddens me is how so many people who have never had any type of mental illness, refuse to understand that depression and mental illness is a REAL illness, and being suicidal is a form of mental illness because the mind is not right to think of suicide..
I have felt suicidal a few times in my life and I have been diagnosed with several different mental conditions (borderline personality disorder, Bi-Polar and other mood disorders, OCD, ADD, to name a few).. I had been put on over a dozen different anti-depressants which always made my problems worse, my joke was that they made me go from feeling suicidal to feeling homicidal..LOL
Anyway, I had to learn what works for me to keep my mind healthy and how to recognize when my emotions are getting wacky and when I may start sinking into the pit of depression and I have to do certain things which actually keep me from mentally sinking to low.. I do things such as extra aromatherapy..I use essential oils all over my house and my body and they do work for me! I also found that I have to take REALLY good care of myself and exercise every day..
Many people who feel suicidal are so depressed that they actually think that everyone would benefit from their death...and that is some of the worst mental pain to feel..
If I were terminally ill, and facing a future of being kept alive against my will... basically tortured to death for months or years... then I would pull the plug, while I still had the chance.
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Good stuff!
I was watching a PBS show on healthcare cost in which various doctors and experts examine the skyrocketing cost of healthcare in this country. In one case there is this woman who is being kept alive by machines in an ICU for months at the cost to the taxpayers of around $5M and counting. The son who wants his mother kept alive keeps on babbling about this is how his mother would want to live. The poor woman is unable to speak for herself while the machines do the breathing for her. The doctor who cares for her says, for him, this would be torture.
I hope when my time comes, there will be some kind of compassion pill that I can take and die with dignity and not being a burden to society.
Suicide should not only be legal, but it should also be available to people at clinics where it can be done painlessly. Let people die with dignity if they choose, even those with incurable mental illnesses or people whose lives have become pointless and unlivable.
It is not an act of selfishness. It is selfish to demand that a suffering person continues to exist, knowing full well that there is little or no hope of their situation improving. Some just don't want to become a burden.
Suicidal people are impulsive. They see things as very "black and white", no other solutions. Also, somewhat self centered.
One Mother of a young man who committed suicide works on a suicide prevention team, she blames casinos and gambling for her son's suicide. After his death, they found he was broke, and in debt. This Mother is on a campaign to make casinos accountable for her son's death. I respect her agenda, but...ultimately, her son made choices, and felt his only way out was death. That is a major thinking disorder. Sure, he was in debt, not a big deal. He could not face his own flaws, and get help.
I read a story about a young woman, she lost a few jobs, dumped by a few guys, decided at age 23 her life was "over". She attempted suicide by shooting herself, and went blind. She realized at that time, how stupid and trivial her problems were, and committed herself to helping others. Admirable...but...too bad she did not have that epiphany before she shot herself.
Suicidal people drive me crazy. Their constant pity party, and attention seeking is beyond me to deal with.
Suicide should not only be legal, but it should also be available to people at clinics where it can be done painlessly. Let people die with dignity if they choose, even those with incurable mental illnesses or people whose lives have become pointless and unlivable.
It is not an act of selfishness. It is selfish to demand that a suffering person continues to exist, knowing full well that there is little or no hope of their situation improving. Some just don't want to become a burden.
The world is overpopulated anyway. Why not?
Oregon has such a law on the books. A Die With Dignity law. Two doctors have to sign a document stating the person is terminally ill.
Of course this still doesn't prevent the elderly and others without a terminal illness from suffering with issues other than a terminal illness.
Ok Jasper so you read 2 stories and then you paint every one the same. Who's to say the news agencies even get it right or outline the entire life and struggle of that person. Really I'm so tired of these threads and I'm equally tired of zero mod support when people try to get it all going. Serious medical conditions and the like are far too deep to be here on cd. Severe long term depression is a serious condition. You are not walking in that persons exact shoes, so stop being so GD judgemental. I'm not going to call anyone names, I understand the feeling of wanting to jump, I only have empathy and compassion for them. If you were hurting would you want someone to kick you or be kind to you? Yeah well its not a problem when its not your problems, that sums up most people in the world pretty accurately.
Ok Jasper so you read 2 stories and then you paint every one the same. Who's to say the news agencies even get it right or outline the entire life and struggle of that person. Really I'm so tired of these threads and I'm equally tired of zero mod support when people try to get it all going. Serious medical conditions and the like are far too deep to be here on cd. Severe long term depression is a serious condition. You are not walking in that persons exact shoes, so stop being so GD judgemental. I'm not going to call anyone names, I understand the feeling of wanting to jump, I only have empathy and compassion for them. If you were hurting would you want someone to kick you or be kind to you? Yeah well its not a problem when its not your problems, that sums up most people in the world pretty accurately.
Great post Todd. People generally just seem to get off on kicking people who are already down. They feel that the solution is to make the victim also the perpetrator. It helps absolve the rest of society of any blame whatsoever as it must all be the victim's fault for being weak or for making poor decisions. People are so against suicide, but they don't care to try to help these people while they're still alive or address the fact that the world is becoming an increasingly lonely place for a lot of people who feel left out and / or ostracized for being unable to fit into an ever more polarized type of mold.
It's all about looks, money, credentials and connections now more than ever before. You really do have to do X by Y age, have your stuff in order and don't dare stray off the tracks. The consequences for finding yourself derailed are far worse, especially if you don't have the support of family or good friends. It's become so plastic, for want of a better word.
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Suicide should not only be legal, but it should also be available to people at clinics where it can be done painlessly. Let people die with dignity if they choose, even those with incurable mental illnesses or people whose lives have become pointless and unlivable.
It is not an act of selfishness. It is selfish to demand that a suffering person continues to exist, knowing full well that there is little or no hope of their situation improving. Some just don't want to become a burden.
The world is overpopulated anyway. Why not?
im in favour of euthanasia for people suffering with incurable illness but would be opposed to your idea of clinics for people who are depressed , thats a step too far and then some , ive nothing but admiration and respect for people who choose to end thier life on thier own terms ( privatley ) but what you suggest is a form of industrialized death ( no nazi puns intended )
im in favour of euthanasia for people suffering with incurable illness but would be opposed to your idea of clinics for people who are depressed , thats a step too far and then some , ive nothing but admiration and respect for people who choose to end thier life on thier own terms ( privatley ) but what you suggest is a form of industrialized death ( no nazi puns intended )
Not at all. They would not be death clinics, but places where people who truly wanted to die could go to die painlessly and humanely, as opposed to engaging in risky and messy suicide methods. It would be a last resort and the patient would have to undergo intense screening and evaluation, but I think that it would allow those who have wanted to opt out for years the chance to do so without having to jump off a building, overdose or take a shotgun to the head.
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