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Old 05-05-2012, 04:00 PM
 
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I thnik perhaps they are less if the perosn has finacial means to get the help they need. Look at the difference in attiude on people with drug habits of the celebrities and the less wealthy. I think alos it depends on what the mental illness is with so mnay habits caused by perosn abuse being called mental or sicknesses these days.
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Old 05-05-2012, 04:12 PM
 
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I don't judge or begrudge anyone who decides that enough is enough. I don't mean to cause anyone pain by saying that, but like you, this is an issue that I am willing to discuss in the open.

I feel a lot of guilt for experiencing suicidal thoughts because there are indeed many people far worse off than I am, but each individual has a different tolerance to pain, whether biological (because I hate the term "chemical imbalance") or caused by life changing trauma or physical illness.

In my case, I don't have the means to financially support myself alone, have a job that not only do I loathe, but could end at a moment's notice. I have no close friends, no family and I wouldn't be eligible for welfare here even if I could bring myself to apply for it. I just don't want it be a BURDEN at the end of the day and all I see in my future is homelessness. Since we're being "open" and given my current mental state as it is (severe depression and anxiety), I know the time will eventually come, but as of now, I am just existing day to day, playing a sort of waiting game.

We all have different ways of coping. Some of us can't cope at all, others go through hell and show remarkable resilience. Some of us are just tired of feeling like square pegs trying to fit into round holes; tired of being scared every day and forced (for financial reasons) to conform to living in this wretched, self-centred society of automaton sheep.
it's a shame. i am the same way everyone is ready to jump up and guilt trip you into 'how wrong it is' to think like that -- yet they don't have the foggiest idea how to actually get it to stop, do they? That's why I don't let the guilt trips bother me anymore. I don't want to hear about how resilient they are -- I guess good for them and sure that comes in handy for them.


Anyway, could you live in one of those group home environments? They have them around my area for adults that are capable and are working but just need a stable living environment and other people around them to help with bills or whatever.
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Old 05-05-2012, 04:37 PM
 
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I think the prevailing thought of the majority is still that mental illness is a sign of weakness. In a world where children are allowed to bully each other to the extent of suicide it is an understatement that we have a lot of work to do.

As for suicide, I think it is an act of total desperation and intolerable despair. I don't think that money is a factor, many very well off individuals have gone to their ends. I think they simply lacked the voice to tell anyone how far they had fallen.

When your pride is already crushed, and you can't imagine given all that is haunting you that anything can ever be untangled or change. You are to proud to admit that under the spiffy mask, your world has come undone and your just too tired of the pain, it isn't hard to imagine that once your eyes close that last time nothing can touch you. I've been there, more times than I can say. But something always stops me. I'd be lying if I didn't admit it's damned scary when the strands holding you here get that thin.

But the thing that is hardest to remember is the thing that can save your life. This world turns on a dime, and as black as that moment is, there may be one right on it's heals that will turn it all around for you. But being dead you'll never know.

I don't agree that those who choose life are cowards, nor would I class those who have taken their lives as cowards. I think to survive what this world can throw at you can take indomitable will for some at times. You see people seemingly gliding through life as if the cosmos had loaded the deck in their favor, it is hard not to envy them - harder still to forgive yourself for not being that person.

Moving on, that takes courage. Putting your head down and forging ahead despite all else. Finding joy in what you do have.
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Old 05-05-2012, 04:52 PM
 
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"I can't come to work today...I am too depressed." Vs....
"I can't come to work today...I have the flu.".

One will get you a sympathy...and "get better"....the other statement will get you a pink slip....

One thing that I find interesting is PTSD....and it's impact on people's lives....You look fine....but can't function.
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Old 05-05-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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it's a shame. i am the same way everyone is ready to jump up and guilt trip you into 'how wrong it is' to think like that -- yet they don't have the foggiest idea how to actually get it to stop, do they? That's why I don't let the guilt trips bother me anymore. I don't want to hear about how resilient they are -- I guess good for them and sure that comes in handy for them.

Anyway, could you live in one of those group home environments? They have them around my area for adults that are capable and are working but just need a stable living environment and other people around them to help with bills or whatever.
No one can really help and I don't expect them to. I've always been an "each to their own" kind of person; our brain chemistries are so different, yet we are so wrapped up in pigeonholing people from the day they're born to the day they die. People cope differently, so what applies to person A may not apply to person B. I think the guilt comes from having my mother tel me 8 million times as a kid "Other people manage to do X"....and? I do have a lot of resilience in other areas, but not where it matters.

I think living with a bunch of strangers would be too intimidating. Although I would like to feel a sense of belonging somewhere, I am also very shy and reclusive. The work I do is also a big part of the problem.
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Old 05-05-2012, 05:21 PM
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That's one of the things that NAMI works so hard to eradicate--the "shame" that comes with having mental illness. This comes directly from the perceptions of society that it's somehow your own damn fault and that you can just will it away or snap out of it somehow. Yet they would never say that to a person who has diabetes.
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Old 05-05-2012, 05:56 PM
 
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I'm a little disheartened that I came back today and read some of the posts here...I guess it's true that the human mind can be a powerful tool and great detriment.

Anyways, yes. Some people are very unsympathetic to mental illness. Like many people have said here, it's hard to understand and it's one of those things where if you havn't allowed yourself to step outside of yourself and explore another's world with an open-mind and heart, or have an experience yourself, you just won't know.

I'm a student nurse and there are many student nurses who see mental illness as "not real". It's something too abstract, almost illogical and irrational, like God, spirits, angels...unless there's an experience or a belief of sorts in these concepts, they cease to exist to the individuals on the outside looking in.
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:08 PM
 
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I'm a little disheartened that I came back today and read some of the posts here...I guess it's true that the human mind can be a powerful tool and great detriment.

Anyways, yes. Some people are very unsympathetic to mental illness. Like many people have said here, it's hard to understand and it's one of those things where if you havn't allowed yourself to step outside of yourself and explore another's world with an open-mind and heart, or have an experience yourself, you just won't know.

I'm a student nurse and there are many student nurses who see mental illness as "not real". It's something too abstract, almost illogical and irrational, like God, spirits, angels...unless there's an experience or a belief of sorts in these concepts, they cease to exist to the individuals on the outside looking in.
People of that mindset should not be in the medical profession, IMO. They may not specialise in treating people with depression or anxiety, but they may end up having to treat someone who self harmed or someone who overdosed. Mental illnesses are just as serious as physical illnesses, even though they're not tangible. In turn, they can cause physical illnesses anyway.
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Love, Epicenter
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People of that mindset should not be in the medical profession, IMO. They may not specialise in treating people with depression or anxiety, but they may end up having to treat someone who self harmed or someone who overdosed. Mental illnesses are just as serious as physical illnesses, even though they're not tangible. In turn, they can cause physical illnesses anyway.
Yeah, I felt the same way at first considering that many of the patients even in the hospitals have mental illness. It was a little saddening to hear some of them say that. But it's possible that focusing specifically on psych patients and mental illness isn't their calling because some of these individuals have very good communication skills and are very good in dealing with the tangible day to day matters. It's hard and most people want someone who understands where they're coming from.

But I think of it like this: I've never had diabetes, a heart attack, a stroke, been obese or even so much as broken or a damaged a single bone in my body so I don't know the struggle of having to change diet, learn to talk, walk, move again, get active because I've been fit and athletic my entire life. I can only conceptualize. But I know I'll have to treat people who do and who have. In that moment, it's important to put my own feelings and perception aside and just help them. But whether or not they reach a higher level of function isn't entirely up to me, but also rests, maybe even more so, on their shoulders.
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Old 05-05-2012, 07:34 PM
 
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Reminder from the moderator: this forum is meant to support those who struggle with mental health issues. Also, keep the posts on topic. Thank you.
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