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Old 07-10-2012, 06:46 PM
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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Well put F&W!! Great job!!
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:25 AM
Location: New Jersey
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Originally Posted by VX5650 View Post
I've read these articles. I don't pay any attention them any more. I don't watch those d*** Home and Garden House Hunter shows anymore either. One young girl was buying a vacation home in the Caribbean with the money she made from her jewelry making business. They showed the business and it was just her sitting at a desk stringing together some cheap crap like you would buy at Walmart. I don't think so!

hahaha. LMAO.
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:43 AM
Location: New Jersey
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Originally Posted by Fear&Whiskey View Post
This simplistic dogma is relentlessly reeled out as a precursor for regression and a means of legitimising abject poverty. After all, in all these rags to riches stories poverrty makes one..."aspirational".

Quality of life on the flip side breeds apathy, indulgence, decadence and ineptitude as well as a lack of an in-built work ethic (apprently). But then this misty eyed perception of a bygone era also borders on the mythologically revisionist if you ask me. It doesn't seem that long ago that these were the kind of accusations thrown at Western democracies by totalitarian dictators with big furry hats in the Soviet Union.

Yet there is now a whole industry devoted to the attitude that life is for "the winners" and the winners alone. Day after day books, magazines and slogans are churned out on a conveyor belt production line and people are gobbling this nonsense up. Why???

Why have we become so in thrall to the "bootcamp philosophy?" Is it representative? Or is it something that is merely conveniently representative to and that massages the vanity of the kind of demographic that is likely to have reached the top in his/her particular sphere of influence?

It seems to me everything from the dating world "See your prey and capture it!", the workplace "own that boardroom" to even the mundane facets of everyday life "you have to be the first served at the bar, you have to be Lord Of The Jungle, you are Tarzan etc..." are now covered with the same sloganeering proficiency for easy soundbites and conclusions in a now monolithic bibliography of over-simplistic and consescending quick fix guru 'how to go from zero to bank account with 1 and plenty of zeros' style mantras. Take your pick.

This also appears to be the only facet of life where the exception ALWAYS proves the rule
. If a teacher was to constantly highlight their star pupil whenever a teacher or parent stormed into the classroom demanding why grade averages were so low they would be shown the door in no time at all. TEAMWORK is always such an essential component of success yet is mysteriously abandoned in favour of INDIVIDUALITY when measuring financial success. Why?

Partly because as far as poverty is concerned it is easier to measure the weak, the vulnerable and the sick by the standards of a few secluded exemptions than to calculate the more complex sum as a whole. What is always overlooked of course is the fact that the exceptions wouldn't be millionaires/multi-millionaires/billionaires if they weren't 'EXCEPTIONS'. But then again society seems increasingly comfortable with the deviations and sharp contrasts in equality that now form the bedrock of our morality as a world.

Role models, rags to riches success stories these are the metaphors idolised as marketing departments constantly bombard societies with the same bogus methodology. Take the concept of the ghetto movie if you will. Now this is more of an American phenomenom because the extremities are more sharply in focus in America though even walking through a working-class section of London near where I love today a similar amalgamation of the same culture is prevalent i.e. corner boys sitting on corners histling, burly enforcers looking menacingly in groups in a show of strength as 'business' carries on deep in the inner chambers of the estate (milder UK equivalent to a harsh Chicago/DC project).

In this economy in fact tensions are building and the venomous vitriol of hate is palpable in the air in the Harlesden area of London which I was walking though today (demographic Carribean, Hispanic and Irish) and shootings and stabbings as well as violent crime in general is noticably on the increase in this part of London right now.

But whenever solutions are proposed to these kinds of problems economic and social factors are almost universally ignored in favour of the fable of the role model. And that to me is where the role model/rage to riches status symbology falls short. Why examine the deficiencies in society when we can put a man/woman on a pedestal and look up instead of in a mirror appears to be the fairy tale happy ending rather than a more sober assesment that may lead to an evaluation based on truth.

In essence I believe this mentality not only legitmises extreme neglect and the dehumanisation that cheapens life in times of hardship it almost actively encourages it. Encourages it as a means of purging the community of dead wood and producing that razor sharp 'King Of the Jungle' we all look up to for inspiration and hope.

As long as there is always a ruthless dog eat dog 'King Of The Jungle' then it doesn't matter how high unemployment is, how pitiful life is, how low the pay for labour is or how senseless the violence is. Hands off. Deal with it. Live with it! There goes the King Of the Jungle moving on to pastures new. All hail the King Of The Jungle because one day it could be you.

Live with it. Die with it. One way or other you are going to have to come to terms with it. Because there's little appetite left anymore to even try and even sell us the lie that there is anyone out there willing to change things for the benefit of humanity as a whole.

I agree with the others, very very good post (that I cannot rep).....This 'life is for winners only' mindset sets some people up for failure from the beginning because they didn't have as much to "work with" in the first place, do you know what I mean? So these people end up feeling like since they are not reaching the 'standard' level of goals, then they are not cut out for life....I always say pessimists are optimists, worn down. If you see someone else's 'success story' and can't implement those things in your own life, well then you don't deserve to have them, that's the mentality I see people having.

Someone said on here the other day, "I was able to do XYZ and well if you didn't accomplish XYZ, then it's your fault." To a certain extent, yes that's probably true, but nothing else is ever factored in by most of these people in the world. Either you won or you lost -- if you lost then it was your fault & you "brought it on yourself" but if you won, well then obviously you wanted it more then the rest and tried harder, etc. etc.....Not really.

Just like you said it's basically the people at the 'top' of these areas of life who are deciding what the rest of us are capable of. Which is exactly why I don't bother playing their games anymore. I'm not being held to someone else's standards and capabilities because it's a wild goose chase. I truly beleive it's a key reason why you see all these sick and depressed people. People are obsessed with 'measuring up.'
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:50 AM
Location: New Jersey
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Totally agree with Doll eyes here!! (yes I know there's a first time for everything j/k } But she's right as are the other posters here. I get so sick and tired reading these "inspirational" stories, only to find out they caught some very nice breaks, which is great, but then don;t prattle on about how you "overcame" a bad situation.

I know a few former friends that bragged about how they overcame two layoffs and a ton of debt-then finding out they pretty much got high paying jobs, and a nice home plus a lot of decent posessions basicall handed to them by family or freinds. If I got a 108K job gift-wrapped for me, I think I'd over come a lot too!! The worst part is they brag like they earned it themselves and can;t understand why other folks in bad situations can;t "overcome and succeed" like they did

Well I'll take what I can get, LOL.....I agree. a lot of these inspirational stories the people got these huge or even little breaks and were able to use those things to further extend their 'success story.' Now that's not taking away from their success story or whatever, but how is that an automatic measure for everybody else?
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