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Old 06-21-2015, 01:02 PM
 
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OP must have had a very unhappy experience with a psychiatrist.

From my point of view it does not matter so much where it comes from or how they figure out what to do. What matters is does it help people to have a better quality of life? I don't care if it is a sugar pill or a mind altering drug. If it gives someone peace of mind, freedom from pain and the strength to keep going, then it is not a bad thing.
If most psychiatrists weren't as, or more bat sh$t crazy than their patients, it wouldn't be such an issue.

I am sorry, but after meeting psychiatrists and dealing with them, I have learned a contempt for the profession and the individuals involved.
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Old 06-21-2015, 01:09 PM
 
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To the original poster (Michael Swanson): How odd that you talk about making society science literate. There is certainly a reasonable argument to be made that psychiatry is as much art and hope as science, but you have not made that argument. Science presupposes objectivity and rationality, of which your emotionally over-wrought and hyperbolic rant gives little or no evidence. All the capitalization, bold fonts, and different colors indicate is a state of anger - they are equivalent to shouting. But no matter how loud you shout, it doesn't make your ideas any more convincing; rather, it makes them less so.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Also, much of psychiatry is based on treating people's emotional states, which by definition cannot be viewed objectively, although the field has done an admirable job of attempting this through various psychological tests. And some psychological disorders have shown evidence of organic brain abnormalities: transgender, schizophrenia, and autism being just a few. The field of neuropsychiatry has done a lot to medically document physical changes in the brain (via MRI, CAT scans, PET scans, nuclear imaging, and even brain examinations after autopsy) that are associated with the behavioral symptoms of psychological disorders. Psychological disorders are indeed literally "all in your head."
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Old 06-21-2015, 01:17 PM
 
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I couldn't have said it better myself. Also, much of psychiatry is based on treating people's emotional states, which by definition cannot be viewed objectively, although the field has done an admirable job of attempting this through various psychological tests. And some psychological disorders have shown evidence of organic brain abnormalities: transgender, schizophrenia, and autism being just a few. The field of neuropsychiatry has done a lot to medically document physical changes in the brain (via MRI, CAT scans, PET scans, nuclear imaging, and even brain examinations after autopsy) that are associated with the behavioral symptoms of psychological disorders. Psychological disorders are indeed literally "all in your head."
The problem with science, though, is a theory is a theory until it is dis-proven.

For example, over 30 years ago, neurogenesis was thought to be impossible. Now it happens in a person's limbic system.

Science is tricky, we need to remember, rarely, are absolutes possible. People are flawed and biased.
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:13 PM
 
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If most psychiatrists weren't as, or more bat sh$t crazy than their patients, it wouldn't be such an issue.

I am sorry, but after meeting psychiatrists and dealing with them, I have learned a contempt for the profession and the individuals involved.
there's a theory i've heard a few times over the years that:

some people get into the psychology/psychiatry profession precisely because they themselves have mental problems, and they want to study and learn more about why that is.
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:36 PM
 
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there's a theory i've heard a few times over the years that:

some people get into the psychology/psychiatry profession precisely because they themselves have mental problems, and they want to study and learn more about why that is.
I buy that...I am sorry to state the majority of psychiatrists treat their patients in an arrogant manner....add to that superiority complex with a buffet of mental health issues and you have a professional , educated idiot...just what the world needs more of...NOT!
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Old 06-24-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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I have to agree. I have become worse since being medicated for most of my life - since the age of 18. I am now 48. I recently moved to a place with a lot less sun in winter than I was used to. I had taken two years to get off of meds. I was finally feeling okay though a bit lost as to where I should set myself up long term for a living situation. I was dumb, because I know I suffer from SAD as well as bipolar II disorder. Well, I was so desperate, I found a psychiatrist again, got back on medications, experienced the very temporary relief I used to experience and then things went slowly downhill. I can no longer tolerate even therapeutic doses of certain things and I ended up feeling very suicidal. I am now on the way back again, working my way off of adderall as well and using an alpha-stim and trying to keep up with my yoga practice.
So for me, it is back to more sunlight in winter and no more psychiatry. I feel I have ended up with tardive dysphoria and more chronic depression, never getting better. Now I know that I need more sunlight, less stress, more yoga, more creative outlets, good diet, and hopefully the alpha-stim will help. I have experienced a bit relief so far, but just got it and it's supposed to show it's full effects within 1-3 weeks.
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Old 05-17-2016, 01:00 PM
 
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Well, I didn't know I was a Libertarian.. I don't really fit into any label. But maybe so (??) Just seems like common sense to me....... !!
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Old 05-19-2016, 11:05 AM
 
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I agree. Psychiatrists just ruin people to fill their greedy pockets.
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Old 05-22-2016, 04:54 AM
 
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YES!!!! It's about time. Psychologists/psychiatrists are like the Catholic Church- they have had WAY too much power and control over people for way too long- and ruined many lives in the process. I'm so happy I lived to see the day where their authority, and the notion of psychiatry being the 'final word'-- is FINALLY being challenged.

Sure, the DSM's do have some valuable insights into the human mind- and there are textbook cases of all disorders. But I agree, there are too many grey areas.. and psychiatry is FAR from a science. They should NOT be treating and drugging people based on guesswork and coercion! There should be MEASURABLE evidence of a 'chemical brain disorder' and MEASURABLE evidence that a certain pill does what the drug co. claims it does. As well as, MEASURABLE evidence that it IS working. As in: real, provable LAB RESULTS. Why is this so hard, and WHY does psychiatry seem to be exempt from this type of logic..?? Why has it never been held to account?? (Because there's money to be made off taking away people's rights and forcing them to be used as GUINEA PIGS.. that's why..!)

While it's true that we don't want to go too far the other direction- in having no power at all to deal with seriously mentally ill (incl. violent) people- (and it seems that may already be the case- which IS probably the fault of psychiatry overstepping their bounds & abusing their power-) ...I am still glad their power to incriminate their CLIENTS (which is really what they are!) and incarcerate them, take away all their freedom and human rights, to force-drug them... is being reigned in. Who do they think they are? Making these choices for others, that will effect the rest of their lives..??

I mean some may do it for their love of the human mind and genuine care of people- but for so many of these 'doctors', it was clearly about the money, prestige and power. Add that to the PROFIT-making psych hospital conglomerates and the power of the pharmacy companies- and it's created a frightening monopoly. One that needs to END.
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Old 05-24-2016, 04:46 PM
 
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" it seems to me as though these "mind altering drugs" and the psychiatrists who prescribe them are actually doing some good.).
So which one would you like? (if you felt a need)....maybe the one starts at 1:51 would be good?????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bguQkX1M1Pg
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