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Old 03-16-2010, 01:24 PM
 
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For the same reason that many children do not become autistic right after they get their shots, and why some unvaccinated children still got autism.
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Old 03-16-2010, 05:52 PM
 
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Yeh...well they also said cigarettes don't cause cancer and hydrogenated oils were good for you. Not that people should be skipping vaccines...But until they cure autism and figure out exactly why it happens I won't believe its not possibly harmful.
Wonder why autism doesn't get major research funding from NIH?
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Old 03-16-2010, 09:43 PM
 
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All the cases where there were anti-vaccination hysteria have been disproved, but that won't affect those who go nuts over it. Even though the numerous studies (included in a more point to point history/analysis including references here: Vaccine hysteria - RationalWiki) that find no link to any "epidemic of diseases" that fanatics still shout that vaccines cause, it doesn't seem to matter.

It shows a severe lacking in scientific education in America where rigorous scientific studies including large double blind population studies by medical professionals are dismissed in comparison to random *&^%$ people post on conspiracy blogs. Especially worrying is the Chelation therapy for autism, that has already been directly responsible for 1 death of a 5 year old (Boy dies during autism treatment). Pretty much every claim is riddled with the wonders of Pseudoscience - RationalWiki, or more PC terms for bull **** sprayed with air freshener.
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Old 03-17-2010, 05:07 AM
 
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Wonder why autism doesn't get major research funding from NIH?
Really....who said it doesn't?

Autism Research at the NICHD (http://www.nichd.nih.gov/autism/ - broken link)
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:02 AM
 
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OK.. Then (the question remains....) why do so many children suddenly become autistic, right after they get their shots?
As a mother of a child with Autism, IMO children who are Autistic have a genetic pre-disposition which is later triggered by some environmental (external) factor. It could be a vaccine, but it also could be the introduction of a particular solid, milk, gluten, preservative content in food, antibiotics, illnesses, etc.

My son developed Autism despite my pushing back his vaccinations well after 16 months, splitting the MMR vaccine and ensuring that they were all Thimerisol-Free (which they have been for quite some time).

To answer your post above, most MMR vaccines (the ones that are most hotly debated) are typically first administered between 12 - 15 months, an age where it is much easier to observe & assess significant developmental delays (speech, motor, cognitive). Usually the less obvious the delays are, the older the child will be when first diagnosed, but most physicians are not comfortable diagnosing before the age of 16 months., hence the coincidental timing with the vaccine.
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:52 AM
 
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Really....who said it doesn't?

Autism Research at the NICHD (http://www.nichd.nih.gov/autism/ - broken link)
When I say "major", I mean at a level acknowledging the epidemic.
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:56 AM
 
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As a mother of a child with Autism, IMO children who are Autistic have a genetic pre-disposition which is later triggered by some environmental (external) factor. It could be a vaccine, but it also could be the introduction of a particular solid, milk, gluten, preservative content in food, antibiotics, illnesses, etc.

My son developed Autism despite my pushing back his vaccinations well after 16 months, splitting the MMR vaccine and ensuring that they were all Thimerisol-Free (which they have been for quite some time).

To answer your post above, most MMR vaccines (the ones that are most hotly debated) are typically first administered between 12 - 15 months, an age where it is much easier to observe & assess significant developmental delays (speech, motor, cognitive). Usually the less obvious the delays are, the older the child will be when first diagnosed, but most physicians are not comfortable diagnosing before the age of 16 months., hence the coincidental timing with the vaccine.
The only corollary with the spike in autism cases in the Western world, seen so far, is the spike in vaccine use.
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:07 AM
 
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To be perfectly fair and playing a bit of devil's advocate:

A legal forum is about argument, not about science. Findings of fault or no fault can be legally/logically sound but scientifically incorrect (or devoid of science). What the court says about the matter isn't really proof of anything but rather a release of liability.
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:39 AM
 
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The only corollary with the spike in autism cases in the Western world, seen so far, is the spike in vaccine use.
Do you have any stats (science?) to back that up. I know they were giving the MMR polio vaccine and in the 60's but the spike in autism did not occur until much later.

Also, to say the "only" corollary with the spike in austism is the spike in vaccine use is a very, very broad statement. In recent years there have been spikes in antibiotics and other drugs in the water supply, spikes in the use of BPA's in plastic bottles, spikes in the amount of hormones and antibiotics in beef and chicken and use in dairy cows, spikes in the use of artificial sweeteners. The list goes on and on.

It seems likely that the increase in autism is tied to a change in environmental factors, but so far there has been NO scientific evidence linking it to increased vaccination rates.
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:46 AM
 
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Do you have any stats (science?) to back that up. I know they were giving the MMR polio vaccine and in the 60's but the spike in autism did not occur until much later.

Also, to say the "only" corollary with the spike in austism is the spike in vaccine use is a very, very broad statement. In recent years there have been spikes in antibiotics and other drugs in the water supply, spikes in the use of BPA's in plastic bottles, spikes in the amount of hormones and antibiotics in beef and chicken and use in dairy cows, spikes in the use of artificial sweeteners. The list goes on and on.

It seems likely that the increase in autism is tied to a change in environmental factors, but so far there has been NO scientific evidence linking it to increased vaccination rates.

Exactly, and it is not limited to a direct connection with the child. It is equally possible (and maybe even likely) that these environmental factors have affected the parents, like myself and/or husband, hence the opinion that it starts with a genetic pre-disposition or weakness.
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