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Well, as bad as the Mexica were - the Europeans were just as violent and barbaric. The Europeans were dirty, diseased, and ignorant scoundrels who pillaged and raped just as much as the indigenous peoples of central Mexico. :S
However, one thing that irks me is that the Spanish introduced the wicked legacy of the Casta system which is still very much in effect today. As well as the depravity and corruption of the Catholic Church. So, I think that on those ground, the Spanish monarchy should apologize to the indigenous peoples of Mexico (NOT the Mexican government) - the monarchy is a relic of that violent era after all, no?
Well, as bad as the Mexica were - the Europeans were just as violent and barbaric. The Europeans were dirty, diseased, and ignorant scoundrels who pillaged and raped just as much as the indigenous peoples of central Mexico. :S
However, one thing that irks me is that the Spanish introduced the wicked legacy of the Casta system which is still very much in effect today. As well as the depravity and corruption of the Catholic Church. So, I think that on those ground, the Spanish monarchy should apologize to the indigenous peoples of Mexico (NOT the Mexican government) - the monarchy is a relic of that violent era after all, no?
The Spanish monarchy is NOT the same monarch that sent Cortez. This is not 1519. It is also not the same Catholic Church from that era either.
Your right though that the Spanish and the Aztec were both brutal and barbaric cultures in 1519. Thankfully though 500 years have passed and the resulting centuries of blending cultures has created a fascinating new culture that is modern Mexico.
If the Catholic Church were required to make apologies for all the people it killed in the name of its GOD going back many centuries -it would never be able to finish them all.
Let's focus on the "new and improved church" which doesn't kill but instead just plays with little boys and covers it up-there are over 4000 such cases.
It's funny they ask the Spanish for an apology and are quick to point out every thing they did wrong while completely ignoring the natives actions among themselves. Do Mexicans really want to go back to the way of the Mexica??? Was the valley of Mexico some paradise before they arrived? No. If the Spanish should apologize for what they did 500 years ago, the Aztecs should apologize for what they did 600 years ago. Should their symbol be on the flag??? The Spanish were obviously exploitational, but the more I read on the Aztecs, the more revolting they become, continually fueling their extraction from others by a reign of terror of slavery, sacrifice, cannibalism, and rape. I think ISIS would have the moral high ground to that culture.
People claim the culture wasn't that violent, but the primary accounts and archeological evidence increasingly suggest that is was as bad as the conquistadors described. The fact that the Spanish couldn't use the image of Jesus on the cross for 100 years for fears that people would begin human sacrifice again speaks to how ingrained it was in the culture. It's easy to romanticize about someone and idolize them when their victims bodies lie buried under the streets of Mexico City...
Mexico is improving today, but this seems like an attempt at a blame game for shortcomings the country has instead of looking at mistakes in the last 100 to 200 years where Spain had no / little influence.
Acquired these from my professor of archeology in Monterrey 55 years ago...
The whole premise that white European people need to apologize for history is absurd. These calls for apologies are rampant in North America as a whole, calls for apologize to Indian people, calls to apologize to black people calls for the British and Spanish to apologize to half the world, especially Africa and the indigenous New World. I’d be all for it if any of the perpetrators or victims were alive today. These events are hundreds of years in the past.
Most Mexicans have a lot of Spanish blood in them. Which Mexicans should apologize and which should be apologized too. Maybe everyone should apologize to themselves since most Mexicans have both ancestries in their past. Here in the US we have the same debate that rages over apologizing for history, regarding both the treatment of Indians and the enslavement of blacks. History is what it is and cannot be changed. Ridiculous to ask people living today to apologize because they belong to an ethnic group that has been assigned blame for past misdeeds. Should the English apologize to the Celtic people of the Britain? Should Italians apologize for the Roman Empire?
Modern Spain nor the modern Catholic Church is responsible for the conquest of Mexico or any other part of Latin America. The modern U.K. is not responsible for the conquest of the Anglo part of the new world. These events are part of history and for better or worse they make us who we are today. Conquests and the rise and fall of cultures is the story of humanity, no one owes anyone an apology for history.
Should African-Americans demand an apology from the African tribes that defeated their ancestors in battle and sold them into slavery to the foreign “white devils”?
Well, as bad as the Mexica were - the Europeans were just as violent and barbaric. The Europeans were dirty, diseased, and ignorant scoundrels who pillaged and raped just as much as the indigenous peoples of central Mexico. :S
However, one thing that irks me is that the Spanish introduced the wicked legacy of the Casta system which is still very much in effect today. As well as the depravity and corruption of the Catholic Church. So, I think that on those ground, the Spanish monarchy should apologize to the indigenous peoples of Mexico (NOT the Mexican government) - the monarchy is a relic of that violent era after all, no?
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Originally Posted by danielj72
The Spanish monarchy is NOT the same monarch that sent Cortez. This is not 1519. It is also not the same Catholic Church from that era either.
Your right though that the Spanish and the Aztec were both brutal and barbaric cultures in 1519. Thankfully though 500 years have passed and the resulting centuries of blending cultures has created a fascinating new culture that is modern Mexico.
History requires no apology.
I'm going give the spanish a pass on the aztecs. But I still want mexico speaking english. I don't have time to memorize verb forms....only tacos and margaritas
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If the Catholic Church were required to make apologies for all the people it killed in the name of its GOD going back many centuries -it would never be able to finish them all.
Let's focus on the "new and improved church" which doesn't kill but instead just plays with little boys and covers it up-there are over 4000 such cases.
The church and evangelicals should be used to reromanized the meditarrean, xtianize china to destablize the CCP, and start trouble in islamic nations.
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Should African-Americans demand an apology from the African tribes that defeated their ancestors in battle and sold them into slavery to the foreign “white devils”?
africans americans needs to go back to paganism without the human and animal sacrifices.
It's ridiculous. It's just a way for AMLO to try and get the masses to look the other way from the mess that MORENA has brought upon Mexico as a whole and the rampant corruption that is happening in his government. It's so stupid. Those conquistadores are today Mexicans...AMLO himself is a descendant of immigrants from Cantabria and Asturias...and his wife is of German and Spanish background...who si he trying to dupe??? Americans got rid of Trump, let's hope the Mexicans get rid of this inept leader as well next year...but I doubt that vote will be "transparent"! Just sucks that the other Political Parties in Mexico are just as bad....poor Mexico!
Why is he asking for an apology? Are Mexicans actually upset about it, or is El Jefe just seeking headline's?
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