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View Poll Results: Florida or Brazil?
Florida 13 61.90%
Brazil 8 38.10%
Voters: 21. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-09-2010, 04:50 PM
 
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Actually, I do not know of any family members or friends that have ever been robbed or been the victim of violent crime here in Miami.

The facts are clear, Brazil has much higher crime rates than any place in the United States, including Miami. So stop trying to sugarcoat it and say how wonderful it is over there when it's simply not the case.

Don't mistake what I've just said for "American arrogance" as you guys like to call it. It's not arrogance, it's the truth.
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Old 12-09-2010, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Eastern Time
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Yeah, I'd want to live in Brazil and have to worry about getting robbed/kidnapped/caught in the crossfire/etc by drug lords every waking hour.

Plus, sub-standard health and law enforcement. I'm sorry, but a third world country is no place to retire to.
If a third-world country refers to a nation with weak political systems and economy, Brazil is far from falling into such category. It is one of the world's greatest democracies and the 8th economy in the planet. Improvements in national and foreign policy, specially in the past decade or so, have brought in 30 mil people into the middle class category and elevated millions that were considered poor. It is no longer a debtor to the International Monetary Fund, in actuality having recently purchased 10bi note, along with other countries of the "Bric" group (Brazil, Russia, India and China).
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Northeast of Brazil
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Actually, I do not know of any family members or friends that have ever been robbed or been the victim of violent crime here in Miami.

You are a lucky guy... Anyway, I also know many people in Fortaleza who have never been robbed...

Crime rate is higher here? Yes, it is. But it's far from that stereotyped "hell" on your imagination...
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Old 12-10-2010, 04:13 PM
 
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South America has traditionally been home to unstable countries and governments. Things could go way south in one day anywhere in South America.

Not sure I'd want to live there...
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Old 12-10-2010, 05:21 PM
 
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South America has traditionally been home to unstable countries and governments. Things could go way south in one day anywhere in South America.

Not sure I'd want to live there...
Same thing in North America as well, just look at Mexico.
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:06 PM
 
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Same thing in North America as well, just look at Mexico.
That's only 1/3 of NA. The US and Canada are fine.
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Old 12-10-2010, 08:28 PM
 
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True, I see your point.
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Old 12-12-2010, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Atlanta,GA
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I wanna enjoy the fruits of my hard labor one day in the country that I was born in, raised to love and sometimes even hate--the good old U S of A.

Why would I travel to some other country if I haven't even seen all of the states? I'm dying to travel outside of Miami and will likely be doing so when I retire in 40 years.
Nothing wrong with what you're saying. I respect it, but....big BUT

The reality is you may never see that day. The way things are going in this country, and the way things are heading in many Latin American countries, I'd say your retirement money will get you zilch here.

Many wise (retiring and non) Americans are moving to Central America as we speak to get more for their money. I was in Costa Rica a few months ago, and I will say it's not a bad move for someone looking to retire. Brazil is on its way as well. These countries are realizing that many Americans and Europeans are looking to move to their countries, and are investing in infrastructure, and security.

(My friend works for Caterpillar in Brazil, and business is great. Better than it's ever been.)

Good Luck with super expensive healthcare and nursing homes, where your "pension" (if you'll even have one), Social Security (If you'll even have that as well), and dwindling savings will get you little to nothing here.

Since it seems, you've barely been out of Miami I forgive you and your ignorance. I'm not trying to poke at you, but try doing some more travelling, and see what you're watching on TV are only half truths. That's the problem with people in this country. Too ignorant and oblivious to what's outside.

Even been to Japan, or anywhere in Europe? So many things will impress you, and will have you thinking twice about statements thinking we're number one in everything. Travel, go open your eyes and mind, my friend.

Also, don't wait to retire to travel. Do it NOW!!!

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Yeah, I'd want to live in Brazil and have to worry about getting robbed/kidnapped/caught in the crossfire/etc by drug lords every waking hour. (Really? )

Plus, sub-standard health and law enforcement. I'm sorry, but a third world country is no place to retire to.

Says someone who probably has never been outside this country. Travel more and be less afraid of the unknown. I'm not announcing doom and gloom in the US, but things are not getting better here. For you to think so, shows how oblivious you are to what else is going on in the world.

The world is moving ahead and along, while we're staying idle on so many levels. To say otherwise proves ignorance. Speaking of Brazil, things have gotten better, on many levels. (Infrastructure, healthcare, security, economy etc). My visit 10 years ago, and my recent visit tell a different story than what people who never left Miami (which by US standards, is lacking as a city. Called a 3rd world city in America, itself) are saying.

By the way, I am not Brazilian. I'm not even South American, but I travel enough to have more insight than you two.

Wanna talk about health care? See where we rank worldwide these days.
We didn't even make top 10, or top 20....Try 37...so stop bragging.

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems


Ranking 37th


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:02 AM
 
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I realize it is inconvenient due to the thread topic, but did you notice that Brazil comes in at 125th? That's after most of the Latin American countries.

Getting back to OP, I expect that I'll want to stay closer to family. If I had no family, I'd probably not even be living in the US right now. Not because it's not okay here, but because there is so much new to see and experience elsewhere.
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Old 11-13-2011, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Macao
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Actually, I do not know of any family members or friends that have ever been robbed or been the victim of violent crime here in Miami.

The facts are clear, Brazil has much higher crime rates than any place in the United States, including Miami. So stop trying to sugarcoat it and say how wonderful it is over there when it's simply not the case.
You can't really compare a country with a city though.

It would be a stronger case to compare crime of the city of Fortaleza with the city of Miami (if you're comparing crime).

While, I'm sure Fortaleza isn't crime free, and neither is Miami. Most of Brazil's crime seems to be much worse in Sao Paulo, Rio de Jainero and Recife, not necessarily 'just everywhere'.
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