09-28-2011, 08:21 AM
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Reptoid Humidian
Some of his pranks are actually pretty funny, but sometimes a bit mean spirited at times.
That's not very sub-tropical of him.
09-28-2011, 10:18 AM
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Miami is NOT tropical. not even close. my father lives in Jamaica, and comparing Jamaica's weather to Miami's is apple and oranges. Miami is built on a swamp, not a rainforest. Tropical fruit like Bread Fruit and Guinep are not able to grow here. The winter time (which in the real tropics, there is no "winter" season or drop in temeperature to even begin with) is constantly dipping in the high 30's to mid 40's for an extended period of time. Many of the palm tree's here in South Florida (of which, the coconut palms are NOT native to), are tinged yellow/brown and half dead year round from the damage done to them in the winter. People are walking around in jackets and cranking up their heaters for 1-3 months out of the year. And this is not me hating on Miami, I love it here, but I am mearily stating observations. This type of weather would never occur in Jamaica or any other real tropical place below the Tropic of Cancer. That is fact. If you truly believe Miami's weather is tropical, you need to travel more. It has tropical elements, but is not, and never will be, truly tropical.
Couldn't have said it better myself and yet people still don't get it!!! Some people just have this weird aversion to accepting reality in Miami, I have no idea why. Subtropical is a transition zone between temperate and tropical but people don't get that. We just happen to be near the border of the transition zone and tropics so we are more heavily influenced by the tropics than by temperate areas.
I think people perceive this as an attack or Miami hate, but they are missing the point totally.
Many times I see the weather in the winter and I think, if only Miami was on the other side of the Straits or if only the peninsula extended a couple more hundred miles south...or if the Appalachians were the Rockies to prevent cold air intrusion in the winter. But it is what it is.
Something that for the life of me I can't figure out...and all I can chalk up to is not being in the tropics...are the areca fan palms. In the tropics, they can be grown in full sun. Here, they burn up. It does not have to do with watering...and not even fertilization because I have tried to overcome that. I think it may be a combo of many things, but have cold snaps may be the straw that breaks the camel's back that never let's them get that intense green even if not shaded.
09-28-2011, 10:36 AM
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Despite it all Miami is a beautiful city,there is no other cities that look like it in the subtropical zone.Not even close.
09-28-2011, 12:38 PM
Location: Miami/ Washington DC
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Couldn't have said it better myself and yet people still don't get it!!! Some people just have this weird aversion to accepting reality in Miami, I have no idea why. Subtropical is a transition zone between temperate and tropical but people don't get that. We just happen to be near the border of the transition zone and tropics so we are more heavily influenced by the tropics than by temperate areas
You say it here yourself. Miami is a transition zone. But it is closer to a tropical climate than subtropical. Once the koppen climate classification system list Miami as subtropical than I will allow Miami to be called a subtropical climate. But for now Science agrees that Miami is a tropical climate. The weather in Daytona, Orlando, Tampa is much different in the winter than it is down in Miami and especially Key West. Key West I assume will not be debated.
But from non-tropical people I will take "Miami is a transition zone that is closer to tropical than subtropical." That works for me.
09-28-2011, 01:03 PM
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Miami is still finding himself... let us not be so hard on him, he is just confused.
09-28-2011, 01:14 PM
Location: Miami, FL
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Couldn't have said it better myself and yet people still don't get it!!! Some people just have this weird aversion to accepting reality in Miami, I have no idea why. Subtropical is a transition zone between temperate and tropical but people don't get that. We just happen to be near the border of the transition zone and tropics so we are more heavily influenced by the tropics than by temperate areas.
GREAT posts by the both of you guys ( HumboldtParkShiner and Chelito ) and 100 % accurate.
09-28-2011, 01:18 PM
Location: Miami, FL
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Miami is NOT tropical. not even close. my father lives in Jamaica, and comparing Jamaica's weather to Miami's is apple and oranges. Miami is built on a swamp, not a rainforest. Tropical fruit like Bread Fruit and Guinep are not able to grow here. The winter time (which in the real tropics, there is no "winter" season or drop in temeperature to even begin with) is constantly dipping in the high 30's to mid 40's for an extended period of time. Many of the palm tree's here in South Florida (of which, the coconut palms are NOT native to), are tinged yellow/brown and half dead year round from the damage done to them in the winter. People are walking around in jackets and cranking up their heaters for 1-3 months out of the year. And this is not me hating on Miami, I love it here, but I am mearily stating observations. This type of weather would never occur in Jamaica or any other real tropical place below the Tropic of Cancer. That is fact. If you truly believe Miami's weather is tropical, you need to travel more. It has tropical elements, but is not, and never will be, truly tropical.
Very true.
(TMost of these people do not understand that while there is a disease that yellows palms, much of what we see IS freeze damage to palms during those prolonged cold temperatures. They look cold weather damaged). My friends Paul Nawrocki the Wise Gardener and Jack Fisher ( the head of the Farichild center) know this and have told me about cold damaged tropical palms all over Miame.
Awesome post.
09-28-2011, 01:19 PM
Location: Brooklyn
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San Juan, Honolulu, Mazatlan, Puerto Vallarta, Cancun, Panama and Belize are all tropical. They are all in the tropical zone. Miami is NOT the equal of those places. Miami is NOT in a tropical zone, and is NOT tropical. As such the residents will NOT experience the pretty purple night sky of the tropics, the beautiful vegetation and immensely strong sunlight.
You are correct; Miami is properly classified as being located in the subtropics. However, given the abysmal gaps in geographical education throughout the United States, you have to consider yourself ahead of the game if people even know that Miami is in the state of Florida.
09-28-2011, 01:26 PM
Location: In a happy, quieter home now! :)
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Jack Fisher says Miami is NOT tropical. Only a transitional semi tropical zone with HEAVY temperate zone vegetation and influences.
"Jack Fisher says....Jack Fisher says....Jack Fisher says......." You are dead wrong, and apparently so is "Jack Fisher".
I live at 26.62 N, 80.06 W, and I live in the sub-tropics.
We have plenty of "beautiful vegetation" and "immensely strong sunlight" and besides a "pretty purple night sky", we also have noctilucent clouds.
"Originally Posted by
HumboldtParkShiner Miami is NOT tropical. not even close. my father lives in Jamaica, and comparing Jamaica's weather to Miami's is apple and oranges. Miami is built on a swamp, not a rainforest. Tropical fruit like Bread Fruit and Guinep are not able to grow here. The winter time (which in the real tropics, there is no "winter" season or drop in temeperature to even begin with) is constantly dipping in the high 30's to mid 40's for an extended period of time. Many of the palm tree's here in South Florida (of which, the coconut palms are NOT native to), are tinged yellow/brown and half dead year round from the damage done to them in the winter. People are walking around in jackets and cranking up their heaters for 1-3 months out of the year. And this is not me hating on Miami, I love it here, but I am mearily stating observations. This type of weather would never occur in Jamaica or any other real tropical place below the Tropic of Cancer. That is fact. If you truly believe Miami's weather is tropical, you need to travel more. It has tropical elements, but is not, and never will be, truly tropical."
lmao! b-s! .. So, what's your point? That we live in the sub-tropics and not the tropics?.... If you can go outside and see Crux, you are in the tropics.
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09-28-2011, 01:30 PM
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I've always thought of Miami as subtropical, but I don't get as technical as you guys.
One thing that's not true is that it doesn't drop into the 30's or 40's for extended periods of time. I would love that. Unless by extended periods of time you mean hours. It always warms back up to at least the 50's. I've lived here for more than 30 years and have never cranked up my heater for 1 to 3 months. 1 to 3 days, yes, but never even weeks. I don't think I've ever used the heater for a full 24 hour day. I'm in West Kendall too.
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People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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So, what's your point? That we live in the sub-tropics and not the tropics?....
One thing that's not true is that it doesn't drop into the 30's or 40's for extended periods of time. I would love that. Unless by extended periods of time you mean hours. It always warms back up to at least the 50's. I've lived here for more than 30 years and have never cranked up my heater for 1 to 3 months. 1 to 3 days, yes, but never even weeks. I don't think I've ever used the heater for a full 24 hour day. I'm in West Kendall too.
