When Will Pweople Realize Latitude 25-26 Is NOT A Tropical Zone

[SEFLANATIVE]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

that's lows averaged over time....it doesn't show the spikes of low temps

Miami can get spikes of below freezing temperatures...and 40 is not uncommon in the winter.....that is not tropical

Miami doesn't get down into the 40's every year an occassional upper 40 degree night is better stated every 2-5 yrs on average with the extremes being readings in the 30's and thats almost unheard of being it happens every couple decades or so..... more or less

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by SEFLANATIVE

Miami doesn't get down into the 40's every year an occassional upper 40 degree night is better stated every 2-5 yrs on average with the extremes being readings in the 30's and thats almost unheard of being it happens every couple decades or so..... more or less

For the past 73 years....Miami has gotten in the 30's and 40's every year....with the exception of just one year.....1994...when the low was 50

36 of those 73 years.....half of all of those years....Miami was in the 30's

...just last year...Miami's low was 40

https://www.currentresults.com/Yearl...emperature.php

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January 22, 2020 < last year

Iguanas are falling from trees in Florida due to cold weather

"With lows hitting the 30s and 40s in the Miami area Tuesday night, iguanas have become so cold that they slow down or become entirely immobile and fall from the trees, according to the National Weather Service Miami-South Florida."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/iguanas-fa...ry?id=68449015

[SEFLANATIVE]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

For the past 73 years....Miami has gotten in the 30's and 40's every year....with the exception of just one year.....1994...when the low was 50

36 of those 73 years.....half of all of those years....Miami was in the 30's

...just last year...Miami's low was 40

https://www.currentresults.com/Yearl...emperature.php

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January 22, 2020 < last year

Iguanas are falling from trees in Florida due to cold weather

"With lows hitting the 30s and 40s in the Miami area Tuesday night, iguanas have become so cold that they slow down or become entirely immobile and fall from the trees, according to the National Weather Service Miami-South Florida."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/iguanas-fa...ry?id=68449015

I'll admit that a good point .... but even with those anomalies Southern FL still sits firmly within the tropical climate zone...one hr or less at those temps does not harm the vegetation or there wouldn't be any left in southern florida with the exception of the ultra tropical ones

[FL_Expert]

I think this thread is kind of silly…

None of Florida is in the tropics, obviously. Portions of South Florida have a tropical climate as defined by Koppen. If iguanas falling out of trees or breadfruit trees occasionally being killed means an area isn’t tropical to you, that’s perfectly fine. However, you’re at odds with Koppen which is the most commonly agreed upon definition of a tropical climate.

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by SEFLANATIVE

I'll admit that a good point .... but even with those anomalies Southern FL still sits firmly within the tropical climate zone...one hr or less at those temps does not harm the vegetation or there wouldn't be any left in southern florida with the exception of the ultra tropical ones

you keep down playing trying to make your point..."one hr or less"...no, Miami can have a few days at that low temp....and more than once a winter

again....Koppen uses averages to designate Miami as tropical....averages do not show the low spikes in temperature that truly tropical climates do not have

No one in Miami grows calathea, cyrtostachys....on and on....in the ground in Miami...if they could, they would....truly tropical plants will not grow in Miami

Originally Posted by SEFLANATIVE

Miami doesn't get down into the 40's every year an occassional upper 40 degree night is better stated every 2-5 yrs on average with the extremes being readings in the 30's and thats almost unheard of being it happens every couple decades or so..... more or less

now you've tried to move the goal post again....from not every year.....to just an hr or less

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by FL_Expert

I think this thread is kind of silly…

None of Florida is in the tropics, obviously. Portions of South Florida have a tropical climate as defined by Koppen. If iguanas falling out of trees or breadfruit trees occasionally being killed means an area isn’t tropical to you, that’s perfectly fine. However, you’re at odds with Koppen which is the most commonly agreed upon definition of a tropical climate.

try reverse engineering this....

Pine trees grow in Miami...slash pine...they grow all the way up to South Carolina
...are slash pines tropical?

Just like slash pine can take "tropical"....there are plants that grow in tropical zones that can take some cold

that's not a definition of tropical....that a human construct

can truly tropical plants do that.....no

Koppen works with averages....and Miami does have an average above 64..but for all those days when it's in the 80's...there has to be an equal amount of days way below 80 to pull that average down to 64

[gomezm007]

I find this discussion interesting, yet crazy. As many have mentioned there is a difference between the tropical zone and a tropical climate. For example, I was born in Lima, Peru which is in the tropics (heck Huascaran in Peru's Cordillera Blanca is the tallest mountain in the tropics) yet can have temperatures in the 60s and 50s sometimes in August because it is located in a coastal desert. Similarly in part of the Andes, there is the possibility of snowing in July and August, yet they are in the tropics. Miami is not in the tropical zone (between Cancer/Capricorn), yet has a tropical climate.
Tropical climate has two distinct seasons since the temperature does not fluctuate as widely as non-tropical (rainy and dry), and Miami definitely does not have four seasons. Some have mentioned because there are no certain tropical fruits in South Florida so it makes it not tropical, but again fruits like breadfruit and jackfruit can't grow in Lima. Does this mean that Lima is not tropical?
What is also important is the variation between southern Miami-Dade and even Broward. There are plants that will grow in Homestead and in the Redlands (including breadfruit) but will not grow in Central Broward. Thus, the further south you go, the more tropical it is (most references will argue that Lake Okeechobee is the dividing line between subtropical to tropical) until you get to the Keys, which are without a doubt with a tropical climate. Part of this argument also deals with location, as Eastern South Florida is also benefited by the Gulfstream which also affects the local climate, in similar ways that the cold Humboldt Current off South America affects the climate in Lima and the southern Peruvian/northern Chilean coastal desert.

[SEFLANATIVE]

Originally Posted by gomezm007

I find this discussion interesting, yet crazy. As many have mentioned there is a difference between the tropical zone and a tropical climate. For example, I was born in Lima, Peru which is in the tropics (heck Huascaran in Peru's Cordillera Blanca is the tallest mountain in the tropics) yet can have temperatures in the 60s and 50s sometimes in August because it is located in a coastal desert. Similarly in part of the Andes, there is the possibility of snowing in July and August, yet they are in the tropics. Miami is not in the tropical zone (between Cancer/Capricorn), yet has a tropical climate.
Tropical climate has two distinct seasons since the temperature does not fluctuate as widely as non-tropical (rainy and dry), and Miami definitely does not have four seasons. Some have mentioned because there are no certain tropical fruits in South Florida so it makes it not tropical, but again fruits like breadfruit and jackfruit can't grow in Lima. Does this mean that Lima is not tropical?
What is also important is the variation between southern Miami-Dade and even Broward. There are plants that will grow in Homestead and in the Redlands (including breadfruit) but will not grow in Central Broward. Thus, the further south you go, the more tropical it is (most references will argue that Lake Okeechobee is the dividing line between subtropical to tropical) until you get to the Keys, which are without a doubt with a tropical climate. Part of this argument also deals with location, as Eastern South Florida is also benefited by the Gulfstream which also affects the local climate, in similar ways that the cold Humboldt Current off South America affects the climate in Lima and the southern Peruvian/northern Chilean coastal desert.

This proves my point of one doesn't have to be with in the tropical zones to have a tropical climate with the theory being those man-made zones does not have an abrupt end but taper's off overtime meaning that southern Florida (Miami) is on the northern edge of the tropical line that's why as mentioned in post above the further south one travel the more tropical it becomes as agreed on the (Florida Keys).

PS I'm almost Positive there's some plants that grow in cuba that won't grow in Miami Homestead or the Keys. and there's plants closer to the equator that won't grow in Cuba.