Miami Dade College diploma or FIU / Miami University? (Coral Gables: how much, transfer)

[Dexter94941]

So, Miami Dade College now offers a Bachelors in Computer Engineering... Up until now, I was planing on finishing my first two years at MDC and then transfer onto FIU or Miami University... today, professors were trying to convince me how is better and cheaper to get my Bachelors in MDC and they said that the fact that it will write on my diploma "Miami Dade College" it won't affect my job chances when I'm gonna look for job graduating. So, I wanted to ask you, will the a diploma from FIU or Miami U. give me better chances of getting a job anywhere in US because they are more popular and has better reputation or it really doesn't matter at all?

Thank you all in advance for your help.

[WINTERFRONT]

OH, dude, just transfer. You are going to be the first generation if you happen to just stay there till the end, meaning, that they are going to experiment with you.

[WINTERFRONT]

BTW, MIAMI UNIVERSITY is in Ohio. If you have the means to go there... just go. No one can turn down an acceptance letter from them, unless you've been accepted to Oxford or Tokyo University.

[roadtrip75]

Because of various Supreme Court rulings and other liberal shenanigans, employers who want to hire smart people aren't allowed to test them directly, so they have to go by the reputation of the applicant's college.

In short ... YES, college reputation does matter. Is it worth the extra cost? How much does it matter? Those are really complex questions.

[FlyMIA]

Originally Posted by WINTERFRONT

BTW, MIAMI UNIVERSITY is in Ohio. If you have the means to go there... just go. No one can turn down an acceptance letter from them, unless you've been accepted to Oxford or Tokyo University.

Huh?
But yes Miami University is in Ohio. University of Miami is in, Miami (Coral Gables) It is ranked the 38th best university in the US. You CANT compare UM and MDC. UM is a real school known around the country with a good reputation. Also FIU is a much better school than MDC and will be cheap also. I would not go into major debt going to UM over FIU. But YES TRANSFER, and if your not going to take a huge amount of debt 20-25K or less go to UM it is a good school. What college you go to does matter.

[Vicman]

Originally Posted by roadtrip75

Because of various Supreme Court rulings and other liberal shenanigans, employers who want to hire smart people aren't allowed to test them directly, so they have to go by the reputation of the applicant's college.

In short ... YES, college reputation does matter. Is it worth the extra cost? How much does it matter? Those are really complex questions.

Do you have a source for this?

[bale002]

Originally Posted by FlyMIA

... University of Miami is in Miami (Coral Gables). It is ranked the 38th best university in the US. You can't compare UM and MDC. UM is ... known around the country with a good reputation. Also FIU is a much better school than MDC and will be cheap also.

[But] I would not go into major debt going to UM over FIU.

But ... transfer .... [IF] you're not going to take on a huge amount of debt, $20-25K or less ... then go to UM, it is a good school. What college you go to does matter.

Yes, if you are an anonymous person with no personal contacts looking for a job in, by now, a general field like computer engineering across the US with no personal contacts, then, yes, perhaps school reputation will marginally improve your chances, but this marginal improvement is not worth a huge extra cost.

Therefore, carefully analyze your self-financing capability, tuition costs, and debt-financing costs. Do not take on debt in excess of the marginal utility of school reputation. How much could that really be worth? As suggested, maybe $20k-25k over two years, probably a realistic concrete figure to work with.

In any case, if you are merely looking for a job, you are setting yourself up for an indebted mediocre life.

You need to learn that life is movement and risk, to rely on your own talents, to start thinking of going into business on your own (take a few courses in business accounting for example), and to develop personal contacts in that direction. They used to call that the American dream, not seeking a mere job.

Good Luck!

[boxus]

Originally Posted by Vicman

Do you have a source for this?

The first theory of this came out of the Griggs vs Duke Power case. If a test causes adverse impact, then the burden is on the company to validate its test and scoring criteria. After a serious of judgements against companies for discrimination due to tests results, many companies starting in the 80's started requiring college degrees for jobs that usually would not ever require one. This college degree requirement was a legal filter since companies now determined they were too liable to conduct any sort of tests for hiring.

This is why now even some of the most menial positions require some sort of degree or certificate. Most jobs are basically OJT, college is now just some expensive BS filter for companies to use since they cannot test out for idiots anymore.

As far as school rep, overall rankings mean nothing really. A school with low overall rankings could have an outstanding business program. There is way too much involved in colleges just to assign a rank to it and call it good.

[Vicman]

I know some agencies still use testing, i.e. the Texas Department of Criminal Justice uses testing for prison guards. But that is a very menial position.

Originally Posted by boxus

The first theory of this came out of the Griggs vs Duke Power case. If a test causes adverse impact, then the burden is on the company to validate its test and scoring criteria. After a serious of judgements against companies for discrimination due to tests results, many companies starting in the 80's started requiring college degrees for jobs that usually would not ever require one. This college degree requirement was a legal filter since companies now determined they were too liable to conduct any sort of tests for hiring.

This is why now even some of the most menial positions require some sort of degree or certificate. Most jobs are basically OJT, college is now just some expensive BS filter for companies to use since they cannot test out for idiots anymore.

As far as school rep, overall rankings mean nothing really. A school with low overall rankings could have an outstanding business program. There is way too much involved in colleges just to assign a rank to it and call it good.

[boxus]

Originally Posted by Vicman

I know some agencies still use testing, i.e. the Texas Department of Criminal Justice uses testing for prison guards. But that is a very menial position.

Many places use testing, especially many gov agencies as they are under much less scrutiny than the private sector.

In regards to testing, interviews also have become the larger portion of the test, sometimes making up 90% of the applicants overall score. There is a reason for this, as interviews are subjective and easier to control against adverse impact for a group.