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Old 11-10-2011, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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The area isn't that low density. I mean, the area around the southern part of the line (south of, say Coral Gables) has roughly the same population density. Plus, I'm sure they could get developers to build some high-rises around the station.
Er NO!....you have to get deep into South Dade along the Busway (at least 136th) for low density comparable to NW 27th ave north of the existing Metrorail. Many vacant lots and abandoned buildings along NW 27th. Miami-Dade North and the Stadium are really the only significant structures along the route. South Miami and Dadeland are an entirely different world compared with the NW27th ave route!
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Old 11-10-2011, 03:30 PM
 
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5-7 extra miles on public transit--even a train--is MUCH different than 5-7 extra miles by car. Especially when you account for the hassle of transfers!
That's the main issue: The transfer. If they simply extended Tri-Rail to Downtown (they could send it in via I-395 and then take I-95 to reach Government Center), it wouldn't be a problem.

But if you have to transfer, you subject yourself to delays. If the Tri-Rail runs every hour and your MetroRail train is cancelled or delayed, you could end up waiting the full hour.

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Er NO!....you have to get deep into South Dade along the Busway (at least 136th) for low density comparable to NW 27th ave north of the existing Metrorail. Many vacant lots and abandoned buildings along NW 27th. Miami-Dade North and the Stadium are really the only significant structures along the route. South Miami and Dadeland are an entirely different world compared with the NW27th ave route!
Not according to the Census: Mapping the 2010 U.S. Census - NYTimes.com

South of around Coral Gables, you start seeing population densities of 3,000-4,000 per square mile, which is the same as some parts along MW 27th Avenue.

Plus, like I said, developers might want to build around the stations.
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Old 11-12-2011, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Not according to the Census: Mapping the 2010 U.S. Census - NYTimes.com

South of around Coral Gables, you start seeing population densities of 3,000-4,000 per square mile, which is the same as some parts along MW 27th Avenue.

Plus, like I said, developers might want to build around the stations.

I wouldn't put much weight on a map that has Brickell be the same color as Kendall. Also, those population densities in South Miami and Dadeland are averages over areas that include single family homes and commercial areas (which contribute zero population density), not just the dense parts immediately along US1 and the US1/Kendall intersection. All you have to do is take a drive down US1 to Dadeland, then drive up NW 27th ave. from NW 82st up to the county line, and you really can't deny they are a world apart in terms or density and amenities.

Developers would want to build around the stations IF AND ONLY IF property values support development, which is not the case along most of NW 27th ave, but definitely is the case along US1 (both south of downtown and north of downtown). Look at the Metrorail north of Civic Center, you get a few subsidized apartment complexes across from some stations, but that's about it. And these complexes tend to be gated and enclosed, which is not real urban development at all.

Sorry, but I gotta call you out on this one. Transit needs to get back to it's humble origins of actually transporting people and away from it's current political use as an empty promise of urban re-development to win a few extra votes. Because it's where people actually want to go or want to live that developers would actually want to build.
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Old 11-12-2011, 02:30 PM
 
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I wouldn't put much weight on a map that has Brickell be the same color as Kendall. Also, those population densities in South Miami and Dadeland are averages over areas that include single family homes and commercial areas (which contribute zero population density), not just the dense parts immediately along US1 and the US1/Kendall intersection. All you have to do is take a drive down US1 to Dadeland, then drive up NW 27th ave. from NW 82st up to the county line, and you really can't deny they are a world apart in terms or density and amenities.
The map lists the actual densities, though. You see waterfront areas on Brickell having densities of around 40,000 per square mile. The darker areas of Kendall are around 6,000 per square mile.

But I see your point that US 1 is more commercial than NW 27th Avenue. I guess they'll just be left with Tri-Rail (in the general area) and some buses.
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Old 11-12-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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This map?: Mapping the 2010 U.S. Census - NYTimes.com

It shows change in density since 2000, not actual density per square mile, right? The only information I can see, once I hover my mouse over the neighborhoods, it's actual population

There are areas in West Kendall that have a density of 13k people per square mile; Aventura has like 11k (if I remember correctly). Downtown has somewhere around 40k.

I opened a thread about this: //www.city-data.com/forum/miami...ghborhood.html

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Old 11-12-2011, 04:00 PM
 
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This map?: Mapping the 2010 U.S. Census - NYTimes.com

It shows change in density since 2000, not actual density per square mile, right? The only information I can see, once I hover my mouse over the neighborhoods, it's actual population

There are areas in West Kendall that have a density of 13k people per square mile; Aventura has like 11k (if I remember correctly). Downtown has somewhere around 40k.

I opened a thread about this: //www.city-data.com/forum/miami...ghborhood.html
Go to "View More Maps" (in the upper left corner) and then click "Population density". It should show different shades of purple instead of different shades of yellow/blue.
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Old 11-12-2011, 05:00 PM
 
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OH fack!! that's cool

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Old 11-12-2011, 05:05 PM
 
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damn, Kendall West areas north oh hammocks surpass 20k persqmile. Downtown's average is 60k. Urbanity begins at the 50k mark.

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Old 11-12-2011, 05:15 PM
 
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Urban areas in Miami Dade: (Urbanity begins at the 50k per square mile mark)

Census Track 6711: 77K persquare mile.
CT 6705: 51K "
CT 6707: 57K "
CT4203: 52K "
CT 125: 50 K
and there are probably some more...
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Old 11-12-2011, 05:21 PM
 
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Imho, authorities should consider building trains connecting hoods with population densities over 18k psm. wat u guys think?
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