Condo building collapses in Surfside..... (Miami, Sarasota: neighborhood, tenants, landlords)

[Corrie22]

Yep, it's one of those ”made you look” titles....

..and the wording ”skirted building codes”.....the penthouse was approved

[Travelassie]

Originally Posted by Truth Traveler

oh my, you're the one with 12 THOUSAND posts on City-Data


Get a hobby, you'll live longer lol ...12 THOUSAND posts ! ha ha

Now, wasn't it you who admonished me about not knowing anything about people who post on these forums, yet there you are, sitting in judgement of an anonymous poster you know nothing about except the number of posts credited by CD to that poster.

It's not that I don't appreciate your apparently immense concern for my longevity, but I don't waste time on such pettiness. Off you go, bud, I'm done with you......

[rkcarguy]

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3178181...eawater-years/

Very telling article and pictures. The sub-level parking garage under the building experienced regular seawater flooding up to 2' deep during "king tides" and storm surges. Look at the spalling concrete, cracks, and exposed rusted rebar in the basement.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by rkcarguy

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3178181...eawater-years/

Very telling article and pictures. The sub-level parking garage under the building experienced regular seawater flooding up to 2' deep during "king tides" and storm surges. Look at the spalling concrete, cracks, and exposed rusted rebar in the basement.

Not buying it. I work on a building on the ocean and it experiences regular seawater flooding. This is something to be expected. Not a smoking gun. The report does not say there is an emergency danger... they are trying to lay this at the feet of poor construction because -- what it was -- a sinkhole kicked off by the navy bomb off the coast -- is the far worse story.

[himain]

Originally Posted by Katie1

Lot of us been on here for Decades! 12 Thousand post drop in the bucket for some!

I agree unfortunately

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Not buying it. I work on a building on the ocean and it experiences regular seawater flooding.

well yeah....dams, docks, seawalls, bridges.....some of Flaglers old bridges in the Keys are over 100 years old...they're still there

[SanyBelle]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Not buying it. I work on a building on the ocean and it experiences regular seawater flooding. This is something to be expected. Not a smoking gun. The report does not say there is an emergency danger... they are trying to lay this at the feet of poor construction because -- what it was -- a sinkhole kicked off by the navy bomb off the coast -- is the far worse story.

I didn't realize the official report on the collapse is written and available already. Where can I read this report? Thanks in advance.

[MadManofBethesda]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Not buying it. I work on a building on the ocean and it experiences regular seawater flooding. This is something to be expected. Not a smoking gun. The report does not say there is an emergency danger... they are trying to lay this at the feet of poor construction because -- what it was -- a sinkhole kicked off by the navy bomb off the coast -- is the far worse story.

LOL

That "theory" has pretty much already been debunked.

Paul Earle, a Golden, Colorado-based seismologist with the U.S. Geological Survey’s National Earthquake Information Center (NEIC), said he didn’t believe the two incidents are related.

“Given the size of the explosion, the distance from the building, and the time between the explosion and the collapse, we do not see any reasonable mechanism for the Navy explosion on June 18 to have triggered the collapse of the Miami Beach-area condo on June 24,” he said. “There are about 300 earthquakes of similar size to the Navy explosion in the contiguous U.S. every year, none of which have triggered a major building collapse.”

Earled added that 3.9 is not classified as a large earthquake. “California has those quite often.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/sta...252415588.html

[Katie1]

Originally Posted by himain

i agree unfortunately

[rkcarguy]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Not buying it. I work on a building on the ocean and it experiences regular seawater flooding. This is something to be expected. Not a smoking gun. The report does not say there is an emergency danger... they are trying to lay this at the feet of poor construction because -- what it was -- a sinkhole kicked off by the navy bomb off the coast -- is the far worse story.

I'm not disagreeing with you. The seawater going in and out of the cracks rusts the rebar, weakens the concrete, and erodes the sand and fill out from under the building creating the settling, and/or a sinkhole(s). 40 years is plenty of time for salt water to completely eat up rebar.
Everything is engineered and built with a safety factor. Take some of that away with all the obvious problems the building had. Add in work/vibration and extra materials and equipment on the roof, the building settling, construction on a newer adjacent building, the navy bomb, years of water infiltration undermining the foundation, all or most of these combined probably contributed to the collapse.

To me, from what I can see, the pool deck may have collapsed first, which effectively removes side-bracing for the columns and surely inflicted damage to them in the process. Then they compressive fail, bringing the building down.

Anyone see where one of the families keeps getting calls from their family members landline that were in unit 302? Just static, and returned calls just get a busy signal. What's the chances between some debris resting on a redial button or that one or more is still alive and pressing the button?