Condo building collapses in Surfside..... (Miami, Miami Beach: safest, approval, rating)

[Corrie22]

Tourists sometimes get confused by the city's name, but I'm surprised when locals get tripped up by it.

can we call it lack of coffee?....LOL

[thetiredone]

I'm scared of heights. I would never live in a high rise building.

[SanyBelle]

Originally Posted by k350

Well, people fled not really understanding the scope of the issue at the time, so they left their pets which is an understandable decision. I am sure many thought there would be some sort of attempt to get pets, and even some personal belongings. A few did grab their pets. It is technically a no pet building, but people sneak pets in and have ESAs.

There are many rescuers wanting to go get the pets, it is not like a huge risk, other than the inherent danger of being elevated. They are working in and around the building, if it was a danger to collapse any second, they would not be near that building.

The whole thing was messed up from the beginning, the second they deemed the building safe to start rescue operations is when they should have enacted a plan to get pets and maybe some personal belongings.

Everyone all acting like the building can surprise fall any second, that is not the case.

They will not allow owners, plus some are like in their 80's, obviously not able to conduct such a task.

Do you know if the elevators in that part of the building were damaged/destroyed? Would the rescuers have to go to the units in cranes via the balconies to rescue the pets?

They halted work on the pile of rubble yesterday for hours fearing that the remaining building could collapse so the engineers deem it unsafe. Honest question --> are you a building engineer or do you have expertise in this kind of work since you seem to think there is no danger of collapse.

[k350]

Originally Posted by SanyBelle

Do you know if the elevators in that part of the building were damaged/destroyed? Would the rescuers have to go to the units in cranes via the balconies to rescue the pets?

They halted work on the pile of rubble yesterday for hours fearing that the remaining building could collapse so the engineers deem it unsafe. Honest question --> are you a building engineer or do you have expertise in this kind of work since you seem to think there is no danger of collapse.

Elevators even if working, which they do not because there is no services to the building, would not be used, and it is only 12 floors. You get a crane, hoist a person to the balconies, open the door even if having to break, set a trap with food for the pets, noose the dog, carry the crated dog, birds, and guinea pig out. Go back the next day to get the traps with the cats in them.

Not a building engineer or anything, nor did I ever state there was no danger, but fact is they have been working under and around that building since the collapse, if the building was that dangerous, no one would be close to that thing, or do you really think they would have dozens of people there, all that equipment, if they truly thought the building could fall at any time without notice?

The time to do all of this was right at the beginning, when they did deem the structure safe to conduct rescue work. I mean they been right under the building and around it for over a week now, with a few pauses only, then back to normal operations.

[ChicagoMeO]

The fires that happened earlier in the collapse, could people have been cooking and the heat/fire from the burners on the stove or oven could have caused it?

[BBMW]

There are probably stairwells in the part of the tower still standing, if they'd take the risk of going in.

Originally Posted by k350

Elevators even if working, which they do not because there is no services to the building, would not be used, and it is only 12 floors. You get a crane, hoist a person to the balconies, open the door even if having to break, set a trap with food for the pets, noose the dog, carry the crated dog, birds, and guinea pig out. Go back the next day to get the traps with the cats in them.

Not a building engineer or anything, nor did I ever state there was no danger, but fact is they have been working under and around that building since the collapse, if the building was that dangerous, no one would be close to that thing, or do you really think they would have dozens of people there, all that equipment, if they truly thought the building could fall at any time without notice?

The time to do all of this was right at the beginning, when they did deem the structure safe to conduct rescue work. I mean they been right under the building and around it for over a week now, with a few pauses only, then back to normal operations.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by BBMW

There are probably stairwells in the part of the tower still standing, if they'd take the risk of going in.

When the residents tried to evacuate they reported that they were blocked by debris and flooding and had to return to their units and wait to be rescued from their balconies. I doubt any of the issues that prevented residents from evacuating have been resolved.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by ChicagoMeO

The fires that happened earlier in the collapse, could people have been cooking and the heat/fire from the burners on the stove or oven could have caused it?

Unlikely without power. I expect the fires were burning vehicles in the underground parking.

[Corrie22]

Miami to dynamite remaining building as soon as Sunday....

SURFSIDE, Fla.—City officials decided to demolish the remaining part of Champlain Towers South with explosives as soon as Sunday, accelerating their plans due to an approaching tropical storm.

Miami-Dade Mayor Daniella Levine Cava said she made the difficult decision, balancing the need to keep searching for victims and investigate the collapse with the need to protect rescue workers and area residents from further harm if the building were to fall. Officials had expected to take weeks planning a methodical removal of the remaining structure.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/miami-a...ay-11625329080

[ChicagoMeO]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

Unlikely without power. I expect the fires were burning vehicles in the underground parking.

well im thinking if they had a pot cooking on the stove, whether it be gas or electric heat, when the collapse happened, the heat/fire from that would perhaps cause some of the fires. Even if the power did go out, you still have a hot pot or perhaps food in the oven cooking/broiling gets really hot.