How can Miami keep it's Latin/International culture vibe while growing? (Hialeah: real estate market, rent)

[Charlestondata]

Y’all seem to be talking about halfbacks. They move from up north to Florida, don’t like it, and move halfway back home, to the Carolinas.

[hindsight2020]

I've never understood the halfback thing. Is it state secret that Florida, or the Carolinas, are what they are in terms of cost, weather and seasonal temperature? Of course not. You'd think for a big ticket move (retirement et al) people wouldn't be that flippant when deciding where to pack up and move cross-country for.

[thinkertinker]

Originally Posted by urbancuriosity

I'm not clear on why Miami should not change. I am fine with Miami having a Latin vibe. I am less clear on why Miami (or any city for that matter) needs to stay a certain way. Cities change based on their demographics, jobs, cost of living, etc. If I said my city has a "white vibe" and I didn't want it to change, I think it would come across pretty negatively. FWIW, my city is about 40% white, 40% Asian, 10% hispanic, and other groups after that. I am not saying the OP is in any way making a racial statement. I am just struggling with the concept.

Because it's a unique place with a distinct culture not found elsewhere in the US.

It's like if New Orleans saw a mass migration of Northeasterners where they begin to dilute the NOLA vibe.

Are are few cities in the US that have such a distinct culture like Miami or New Orleans. From a cultural standpoint, I think it's good to maintain unique places like that if they aren't hurting anyone.

[Roger Lessman]

Originally Posted by thinkertinker

Because it's a unique place with a distinct culture not found elsewhere in the US.

It's like if New Orleans saw a mass migration of Northeasterners where they begin to dilute the NOLA vibe.

Are are few cities in the US that have such a distinct culture like Miami or New Orleans. From a cultural standpoint, I think it's good to maintain unique places like that if they aren't hurting anyone.

Miami had a distinct history and a culture before the mass influx of Latin American immigrants, and it will forge a new history and culture with or without a predominately Latin population, and definitely without hurting anyone. There's nothing to worry about.

[CXT2000]

Originally Posted by thinkertinker

Because it's a unique place with a distinct culture not found elsewhere in the US.

It's like if New Orleans saw a mass migration of Northeasterners where they begin to dilute the NOLA vibe.

Are are few cities in the US that have such a distinct culture like Miami or New Orleans. From a cultural standpoint, I think it's good to maintain unique places like that if they aren't hurting anyone.

Although Miami does have a Latin American flair, it is not a culturally unique place with a distinct culture. Its too culturally American, looks and feels like every other city outside a few neighbourhoods within the city of Miami. A lot of major cities in the U.S have a Latin American anchor that differentiates from other places, Miami included. But again, outside Hialeah and Little Havana, there's nothing necessarily unique about Miami. Even SoBe has lost it's Latin American flair, it's become a tourist spectacle area now, compared to when I moved there in 2000 and it was a relaxed paced space that felt like a North American version of a Latin American place.

The only place between the U.S and Canada that is truly unique with a distinct culture is Quebec, and I'd give NOLA second place, especially since they've preserved that culture and feel for centuries.

If you want Miami to be a true Latin American city, maybe you can find a way to separate SoFla (this was a thing when I was there from the Cuban community, to make it "Northern Cuba"), make Spanish the official language, limit people from NY/Cali to move there, etc.. Obviously this is easier said than done, but if it gives you a few ideas how to do something.

[blueherons]

Hahahahahaha! Miami losing its Latin/Hispanic influence! That's the funniest thing I've read all week!

[masonbauknight]

Originally Posted by djesus007

maybe you can find a way to separate SoFla (this was a thing when I was there from the Cuban community, to make it "Northern Cuba"), make Spanish the official language, limit people from NY/Cali to move there, etc..

Ban the gringos from their own country? Maybe the Hispanic-majority Miami-Dade Council could fast-track immigration of monolingual grandmothers from Buenos Aires and Lima, give them voting rights, then remove those rights from the gringos speaking English down at Publix. Weeks later, you'd simply change the name Publix to Del Publico.

Originally Posted by djesus007

Obviously this is easier said than done

It's 1970s Latin American fascism in the US, so I would hope so.

[CXT2000]

Originally Posted by masonbauknight

Ban the gringos from their own country? Maybe the Hispanic-majority Miami-Dade Council could fast-track immigration of monolingual grandmothers from Buenos Aires and Lima, give them voting rights, then remove those rights from the gringos speaking English down at Publix. Weeks later, you'd simply change the name Publix to Del Publico.



It's 1970s Latin American fascism in the US, so I would hope so.

Not ban but they wanted to make it either a 51st state or their own country. I went to a few meetings to see how it compared to the whole Quebec secession stuff. On some hands, similar with protecting culture, on the other, some wanted to make it a Spanish speaking only country or a Cuban annex. It was never anything serious though, it was always a bunch of 50+ year old Cubans wanting this... It was amusing though, I'll say that lol.

[wanderer34]

As of this moment, Miami will never lose it's Latin flair, but I can see the share of it gradually decrease, especially when all or most of the Cuban population becomes more Americanized to the point where at least half of them don't speak Spanish anymore. You're now seeing Venezuelans coming here, as well as Colombians, Nicaraguans, Puerto Ricans, and Dominicans, and within each generation, some of the people stop speaking Spanish depending on certain factors, either the parents didn't feel like teaching them or you either grew up in a place where you're in the minority of Spanish speakers or you're not in a majority Spanish speaking area.

For Miami to truly become a world-class American city, I'm not saying everybody should give up their culture or language as the city will for the most part be Latino majority due to the location and the economic and political power of the Cuban community, but it's going to have to allow other people (Asians, Arabs, and domestic transplants) to have their own enclaves with either the city and if not the city, certain parts of Miami-Dade. There's sparsely any Asian neighborhoods in Miami or Miami-Dade, and there's an emerging Arab community around Miami but there's no consistent Arab community in Miami or Miami-Dade, so the Arab community is spread out. There are ample populations of whites (Italians, Jews, and regular old Americans), blacks (African Americans, Caribbeans, and even Africans), and or course Latinos, but if you're Asian, there's really no neighborhood in Miami where you can find a significant Asian community unless you either go to Broward (and there's really no consistent Asian neighborhood there). You'll have to travel to Orlando or maybe Tampa just to find some semblance of an Asian neighborhood.

The only place where I can see transplants living in Miami long term is either along the Miami shore or Miami Beach. I can't really see the typical transplant wanting to live in Liberty City, Little Haiti, Wynwood, Allapattah, or even Little Havana with the locals. Yes, certain parts of Wynwood and parts of Little Havana are starting to gentrify but much of the city is either Latino or black and the closer to the water you are, the more you're going to see transplants. I just don't buy Liberty City or Little Hiati being fully gentrified the way Williamsburg and the Lower East Side are completely gentrified. Hell, my old home around Flatbush is on the verge of gentrification. It's starting to look completely different than when I grew up in the 80's and 90's.

[thepointina]

If Miami keeping a Latin Vibe is the concern I don't think it has anything to worry about. No matter how many northeasterners start migrating there, Latin people will keep on moving to the city for years to come, I'm certain