Miami to create homeless camp on Virginia Key? (Key West, Fisher Island: credit, day care)

[Marv95]

Originally Posted by WilliamInMiami

That might have been a good idea 100 years ago. The reality is crackheads don't want to work.

Then force them to work or make them pay the price. We need to return to standards and these "people" are contributing to the downfall of American society. Enough.

[CXT2000]

Originally Posted by Marv95

Then force them to work or make them pay the price. We need to return to standards and these "people" are contributing to the downfall of American society. Enough.

Ah yes, blame homeless people for the "downfall" of American society, when it's because of American society, most of them are homeless in the first place. People like you who say "make them pay the price" or don't even consider them as a person need a mental evaluation.

The best way to combat homelessness (not limited to this list)

1. Integration into society (excluding or segregating them will make it worse)
2. Create clear pathways to work, education and success
3. Rehabilitation for those who have drug issues
4. Build affordable housing (which Miami never cares about anyways)
5. Access to healthcare (which Americans love to create barriers to this)

You will have to invest a lot to stop a problem neoliberal policies helped create, but I know the U.S is not keen on social programs, especially in red states. Want to stop homelessness? You start by investing into the system, the people, the economy and social programs. You might see a tax bump, but if it means more people get help/services, jobs, education, better health, then it's worth it.

* and of course, means people like you and others will stop complaining about the homeless. Kind of hard for them to do something when they don't have many resources at their disposal.

[roadtrip75]

Originally Posted by CXT2000

Ah yes, blame homeless people for the "downfall" of American society, when it's because of American society, most of them are homeless in the first place. People like you who say "make them pay the price" or don't even consider them as a person need a mental evaluation.

The best way to combat homelessness (not limited to this list)

1. Integration into society (excluding or segregating them will make it worse)
2. Create clear pathways to work, education and success
3. Rehabilitation for those who have drug issues
4. Build affordable housing (which Miami never cares about anyways)
5. Access to healthcare (which Americans love to create barriers to this)

You will have to invest a lot to stop a problem neoliberal policies helped create, but I know the U.S is not keen on social programs, especially in red states. Want to stop homelessness? You start by investing into the system, the people, the economy and social programs. You might see a tax bump, but if it means more people get help/services, jobs, education, better health, then it's worth it.

* and of course, means people like you and others will stop complaining about the homeless. Kind of hard for them to do something when they don't have many resources at their disposal.

In America, these ideas are most popular in California. California is also the wealthiest place in America. Yet, California is also the homeless capitol of America.

That's not a coincidence. Left-wing ideas don't cure social decay. They cause social decay.

[WilliamInMiami]

Originally Posted by CXT2000

Ah yes, blame homeless people for the "downfall" of American society, when it's because of American society, most of them are homeless in the first place. People like you who say "make them pay the price" or don't even consider them as a person need a mental evaluation.

The best way to combat homelessness (not limited to this list)

1. Integration into society (excluding or segregating them will make it worse)
2. Create clear pathways to work, education and success
3. Rehabilitation for those who have drug issues
4. Build affordable housing (which Miami never cares about anyways)
5. Access to healthcare (which Americans love to create barriers to this)

You will have to invest a lot to stop a problem neoliberal policies helped create, but I know the U.S is not keen on social programs, especially in red states. Want to stop homelessness? You start by investing into the system, the people, the economy and social programs. You might see a tax bump, but if it means more people get help/services, jobs, education, better health, then it's worth it.

* and of course, means people like you and others will stop complaining about the homeless. Kind of hard for them to do something when they don't have many resources at their disposal.

Yes, lets do what San Francisco does. They have 71,000 homeless vs Miami's 900.

[Marv95]

Originally Posted by CXT2000

Ah yes, blame homeless people for the "downfall" of American society, when it's because of American society, most of them are homeless in the first place. People like you who say "make them pay the price" or don't even consider them as a person need a mental evaluation.

The best way to combat homelessness (not limited to this list)

1. Integration into society (excluding or segregating them will make it worse)
2. Create clear pathways to work, education and success
3. Rehabilitation for those who have drug issues
4. Build affordable housing (which Miami never cares about anyways)
5. Access to healthcare (which Americans love to create barriers to this)

You will have to invest a lot to stop a problem neoliberal policies helped create, but I know the U.S is not keen on social programs, especially in red states. Want to stop homelessness? You start by investing into the system, the people, the economy and social programs. You might see a tax bump, but if it means more people get help/services, jobs, education, better health, then it's worth it.

* and of course, means people like you and others will stop complaining about the homeless. Kind of hard for them to do something when they don't have many resources at their disposal.

California and the Northwest do this stuff. How has it worked out?

If you can't grasp that many of them are crackfiends don't want to work or improve their lives and are helping to ruin potentially great cities like Miami, you are the one who needs a mental evaluation.

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by Marv95

California and the Northwest do this stuff. How has it worked out?

...a mass migration....like putting out a chum bag

[elchevere]

Friend of mine who runs a business in San Diego who has to contend with violent (drugged out) homeless on a daily basis sent me this clip:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cgf9w...d=MDJmNzVkMjY=

[MiamiLIFE]

Originally Posted by elchevere

Friend of mine who runs a business in San Diego who has to contend with violent (drugged out) homeless on a daily basis sent me this clip:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cgf9w...d=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Austin, TX looks like this as well. This is not a solution to homelessness. Seattle, SF, Los Angeles, Portland, San Diego, Austin have tried the free syringes and not prosecuting drug use. Clearly not working, no need to bring that model to Miami as we already know it's a failure. Have to try something different.

[CXT2000]

Originally Posted by WilliamInMiami

Yes, lets do what San Francisco does. They have 71,000 homeless vs Miami's 900.

They have 7,800, Miami increased to 3.4K as of January, and homeless shelters are seeing more. And yes, California doesn't do a great job but it has nothing to do with "left-leaning" policies. Americans are so politically stupid that they think anything that has to do with social programs is "left" leaning. What people forget is they also, are not building enough affordable or transitional housing, or lack education programs and health programs for the homeless. Miami is going through the exact same thing with the economic boom making housing stupidly unaffordable (and it is now the most expensive city in the U.S). S.F had the same thing with the tech boom and did zero to help out when the issues started, and here we are today.

Over here, the pandemic increased our homeless population, yet we have programs in place to help homeless people. Are they sufficient? No, is our right wing government giving us tools and money? hardly. Has homelessness decreased with the existing (yet, to be honest, overburden systems?) also yes.

Programs work, it's just people are really dumb, politicians are also dumb and then you have right wingers who say "LeFt WiNg PoLiCiEs DoNt WoRk" yet can't even tell ideologies correctly lol. If you want to see a good example of segregating the homeless and doing zero for them, Skid Row is a great example, and Miami is following the same game plan.

Also another heads up, right-wing cities and states tend to ship out homeless people to other cities... So they still contribute to the nation wide issue of homelessness. Nice to see how much they care about "American society" right?

[elchevere]

^^

You raise a good point about cities, like Miami and elsewhere, exporting their homeless by bus to other cities; meanwhile, Miami has been importing disgruntled transplants—including myself, a good share well off, from these other cities with much higher homeless populations and deteriorating QOL who have become fed up with their former cities turning into dumps while also attracting and bringing more/higher quality retail, good restaurant outposts, and businesses (more finance than tech) from their former cities to follow suit as an added bonus.

Given a choice of more homeless or transplants just described, I’ll choose the latter every time. It is true these transplants have contributed to Miami’s higher COL but I don’t think the majority of people posting on this forum are being effected or moving away any time soon. If the QOL in Miami deteriorates and prices get completely out of control then some might follow suit and consider moving elsewhere—but, in the current case, I do not believe you are preaching to the choir.

I do not know what the solution is for the homeless crisis, but until it becomes as major a problem in Miami—as it has in all major West Coast cities, DC and NYC— many of us remain satisfied that our situation is contained relative to elsewhere. If that makes me, or us, a selfish prick or NIMBYs, guilty as charged.