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You were in Andalusia, in Malaga.
In Torremolinos or in a similar place, I assume.
Those places are just for cheap tourism from England that come to drink, drink and drink. (not Sex and Sun as they say).
The only locals you will find there are thrashy Andalusian waiters.
Yes, they are "socialists" or whatever down there, whatever their Cacique says.
There are some areas in Andalusia that are beautiful, and very nice people.
And yes, Spain is overrated.
I don't travel around Spain anymore, except to remote areas with no tourism.
People here travel to Third World Countries, it's cheaper and people are nicer.
If you ever come back, travel inland and avoid thrashy touristy places packed with scum.
There are some places that are relatively intact (not many).
Last edited by Leovigildo; 05-09-2009 at 01:11 AM..
I was in Benalmadena with my GF (brazilian lady). I'm going back.... expensive there, people are not so nice. I pay 650 euros small 2 br/1 bath near Beach. Taxi guys have an attitude, even at the Gym, Spanish guys see me jealous because my GF is very beautiful. Even Taxi guys have attitudes... some won't even stop if near 1PM, 3 hour lunch breaks... the whole town closes down every day from 1PM-5PM. Torremolinos, yea a sh*thole. Never seen so many frink Brits my life.... Brits drink like it's water. Madrid is to big, way more expensive than Malaga and more snobbyness/need a car. Honestly, I think the locals only smile to me because I got $$$, if I was some drunk, poor bastard, they'd wish I drown in the their ugly ocean. What u advise bro? Oh, people say Barcalona best city in Spain. I'll take a speed train there next time..... Frankly, Lisboa was miuch more enjoyable than anywhere in Spain. Portuguese seem more down to earth. Yes, correct again, my Landlord, a 100% espanolo vacationed in where lese? MEXICO, Cancun....
Do you work in Benalmadena or need to be in those dreary areas packed with "killos"?
"Killos" are thrashy and scummy punks (most are Andalusians). Just like the ones you met there, most of them are drop outs that smoke pot all the time, lazy and stupid.
You could call them White Trash.
"Killos" work six months a year, and they live the rest of the year thanks to Unemployment Benefits and the hands out distributed by politicians to buy their vote. You'll see towns there where officially, there's 80 per cent unemployment rate, but bars and restaurants are packed and they all drive Mercedes.
There are so useless and lazy that Spain had to bring immigrants from Ecuador, Poland or Morocco to work in the fields, because they won't work in the fields anymore.
We have payload of killos here, all Andalusians, "thanks" to them were are governed by the "Socialist=Crooks" party. All those freeloaders vote socialists. But killos here live in ghettos, and you don't see them unless you go to their areas.
Get away from those places.
Last edited by Leovigildo; 05-09-2009 at 04:16 AM..
I am considering my options... I could get the italian passport and live there.
I have family in Barcelona and Malaga and they love the country... I have a cousin who lived in Miami and then moved to Germany and he says that life there is different... the system...
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Foreign born American Citizens can't obtain a Third Country Citizenship.
If they do, they will automatically loose their American Citizenship.
American Consular Services acts in liaison with the Ministries of Interior of all EEC to find out possible infractors.
Of course, you can obtain it if you are a resident, but most likely you will loose your Resident Status after two years abroad.
I don`t know if that applies to me...I obtained my U.S. citizenship through blood right. My mother is a U.S. National, and I became a citizen of U.S. even before I moved to United States...
Advice about Possible Loss of U.S. Citizenship and Dual Nationality
The Department of State is responsible for determining the citizenship status of a person located outside the United States or in connection with the application for a U.S. passport while in the United States. POTENTIALLY EXPATRIATING ACTS
Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:
obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).
ADMINISTRATIVE STANDARD OF EVIDENCE
As already noted, the actions listed above can cause loss of U.S. citizenship only if performed voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship. The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to a declaration of allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government.
DISPOSITION OF CASES WHEN ADMINISTRATIVE PREMISE IS APPLICABLE
In light of the administrative premise discussed above, a person who:
is naturalized in a foreign country;
takes a routine oath of allegiance to a foreign state;
serves in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or
accepts non-policy level employment with a foreign government,
and in so doing wishes to retain U.S. citizenship need not submit prior to the commission of a potentially expatriating act a statement or evidence of his or her intent to retain U.S. citizenship since such an intent will be presumed.
When, as the result of an individual's inquiry or an individual's application for registration or a passport it comes to the attention of a U.S. consular officer that a U.S. citizen has performed an act made potentially expatriating by Sections 349(a)(1), 349(a)(2), 349(a)(3) or 349(a)(4) as described above, the consular officer will simply ask the applicant if there was intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship when performing the act. If the answer is no, the consular officer will certify that it was not the person's intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship and, consequently, find that the person has retained U.S. citizenship.
PERSONS WHO WISH TO RELINQUISH U.S. CITIZENSHIP
If the answer to the question regarding intent to relinquish citizenship is yes , the person concerned will be asked to complete a questionnaire to ascertain his or her intent toward U.S. citizenship. When the questionnaire is completed and the voluntary relinquishment statement is signed by the expatriate, the consular officer will proceed to prepare a certificate of loss of nationality. The certificate will be forwarded to the Department of State for consideration and, if appropriate, approval.
An individual who has performed any of the acts made potentially expatriating by statute who wishes to lose U.S. citizenship may do so by affirming in writing to a U.S. consular officer that the act was performed with an intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Of course, a person always has the option of seeking to formally renounce U.S. citizenship abroad in accordance with Section 349 (a) (5) INA. DISPOSITION OF CASES WHEN ADMINISTRATIVE PREMISE IS INAPPLICABLE The premise that a person intends to retain U.S. citizenship is not applicable when the individual:
formally renounces U.S. citizenship before a consular officer;
serves in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities with the United States;
takes a policy level position in a foreign state;
is convicted of treason; or
performs an act made potentially expatriating by statute accompanied by conduct which is so inconsistent with retention of U.S. citizenship that it compels a conclusion that the individual intended to relinquish U.S. citizenship. (Such cases are very rare.)
Cases in categories 2, 3, 4 and 5 will be developed carefully by U.S. consular officers to ascertain the individual's intent toward U.S. citizenship.
I don`t know if that applies to me...I obtained my U.S. citizenship through blood right. My mother is a U.S. National, and I became a citizen of U.S. even before I moved to United States...
Advice about Possible Loss of U.S. Citizenship and Dual Nationality
The Department of State is responsible for determining the citizenship status of a person located outside the United States or in connection with the application for a U.S. passport while in the United States. POTENTIALLY EXPATRIATING ACTS
Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:
obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).
ADMINISTRATIVE STANDARD OF EVIDENCE
As already noted, the actions listed above can cause loss of U.S. citizenship only if performed voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship. The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to a declaration of allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government.
DISPOSITION OF CASES WHEN ADMINISTRATIVE PREMISE IS APPLICABLE
In light of the administrative premise discussed above, a person who:
is naturalized in a foreign country;
takes a routine oath of allegiance to a foreign state;
serves in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or
accepts non-policy level employment with a foreign government,
and in so doing wishes to retain U.S. citizenship need not submit prior to the commission of a potentially expatriating act a statement or evidence of his or her intent to retain U.S. citizenship since such an intent will be presumed.
When, as the result of an individual's inquiry or an individual's application for registration or a passport it comes to the attention of a U.S. consular officer that a U.S. citizen has performed an act made potentially expatriating by Sections 349(a)(1), 349(a)(2), 349(a)(3) or 349(a)(4) as described above, the consular officer will simply ask the applicant if there was intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship when performing the act. If the answer is no, the consular officer will certify that it was not the person's intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship and, consequently, find that the person has retained U.S. citizenship.
PERSONS WHO WISH TO RELINQUISH U.S. CITIZENSHIP
If the answer to the question regarding intent to relinquish citizenship is yes , the person concerned will be asked to complete a questionnaire to ascertain his or her intent toward U.S. citizenship. When the questionnaire is completed and the voluntary relinquishment statement is signed by the expatriate, the consular officer will proceed to prepare a certificate of loss of nationality. The certificate will be forwarded to the Department of State for consideration and, if appropriate, approval.
An individual who has performed any of the acts made potentially expatriating by statute who wishes to lose U.S. citizenship may do so by affirming in writing to a U.S. consular officer that the act was performed with an intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Of course, a person always has the option of seeking to formally renounce U.S. citizenship abroad in accordance with Section 349 (a) (5) INA. DISPOSITION OF CASES WHEN ADMINISTRATIVE PREMISE IS INAPPLICABLE
The premise that a person intends to retain U.S. citizenship is not applicable when the individual:
formally renounces U.S. citizenship before a consular officer;
serves in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities with the United States;
takes a policy level position in a foreign state;
is convicted of treason; or
performs an act made potentially expatriating by statute accompanied by conduct which is so inconsistent with retention of U.S. citizenship that it compels a conclusion that the individual intended to relinquish U.S. citizenship. (Such cases are very rare.)
Cases in categories 2, 3, 4 and 5 will be developed carefully by U.S. consular officers to ascertain the individual's intent toward U.S. citizenship.
For a MDCS teacher you sure do have some strong opinions about the heritage of your students' parents, among other issues.
The U.S allows his nationals to have Dual Citizenship.
But you already have Dual Citizenship, notwithstanding the fact that you renounced to your original nationality or that you adopted your American Citizenship by ius sanguine in your country of birth.
The only way you could acquire both nationalities would be:
1. If you never obtained the nationality of the country you were born -by registration at the Consular offices at birth.
I know people that circunvented the law in the past, but that was before 11S.
Last edited by Leovigildo; 05-10-2009 at 04:30 AM..
You were in Andalusia, in Malaga.
In Torremolinos or in a similar place, I assume.
Those places are just for cheap tourism from England that come to drink, drink and drink. (not Sex and Sun as they say).
The only locals you will find there are thrashy Andalusian waiters.
Yes, they are "socialists" or whatever down there, whatever their Cacique says.
There are some areas in Andalusia that are beautiful, and very nice people.
And yes, Spain is overrated.
I don't travel around Spain anymore, except to remote areas with no tourism.
People here travel to Third World Countries, it's cheaper and people are nicer.
If you ever come back, travel inland and avoid thrashy touristy places packed with scum.
There are some places that are relatively intact (not many).
I've been to Spain a couple of times -- yes, some of the coastal resorts are "fun in the sun" destinations, filled with drunken British, French, German and Dutch tourists, looking to party & be generally loud and obnoxious. Not my thing, to be honest. However, I did manage to go to Barcelona, which was an amazing experience. We also took a tour to Andorra, which is a tiny principality sandwiched between France & Spain and Andorra was stunning.
I do think that far too much of the Spanish Mediterranean coast has been far too overdeveloped. Fortunately, Greece and Italy haven't gone down that route 100%.
I would like to visit Spain's Atlantic coast at some point as I've heard that it's totally different and far more naturally beautiful.
Well, I don't know about Greece, but Italy is overdeveloped, overpopulated and very expensive. Just like Mediterranean France. Barcelona is now packed with tourists, not long ago the city didn't receive any tourists. Barcelona is nice, but according to American standards is a crowded city. Not to speak about traffic.
The city receives many American tourists from cruisers, they are the ones that spend more money per capita along with Russians.
We receive 50 million tourists, most of them in the coast, but the country is big (per European standards) and inland the country is mostly intact.
Yes, the Atlantic coast is very nice, but not "Sunny Spain", but If you live in Florida, I guess that you are not one of those "Sun worshippers".
For me personally, the best place for visiting in Spain is Galicia and Asturias. Very green, people are very nice. Not hot during summer.
Andorra is interesting, a little bit claustrophobic, but fun to visit. They are now scared because they are a tax shelter and they want to force them to reveal the names of people with accounts there (Obama's idea..)..Good place for skying.
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