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Old 05-15-2009, 11:54 AM
 
Location: miami, fla. enjoying the relative cool, for now ;)
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ad-asinorum
no need to be so harsh on yourself. after all you are young and have much to learn yet.

all the best


 
Old 05-15-2009, 12:03 PM
 
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don't tell me you actually even read that

This whole thing is beyond ridiculous already.
I agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Old 05-15-2009, 12:23 PM
 
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I have Cuban-American friends in Key West whose families have been there for five generations. Most Miami Cubans and their families have arrived in the last fifty years, but you are right that have been people of "Hispanic" origin in Florida for hundreds of years.

Crisp

Is the other way around. The Americans are the newcomers and invaders.

In 1820, General Jackson, from the newly formed United States, invaded illegally the Spanish Territory of Florida. Florida was a territory administered by the General Captaincy of Havana.

He used as excuse that Georgia was attacked from Spanish territory by Seminoles. Just the typical false excuse used by predatory empires.

They forced Spain to sell La Florida for some 20 something million dollars. Spanish Land Claims were not respected. Not even the claims belonging to English and Americans.

There were Spanish settlements all around Pensacola and San Agustin. Later, there were Spanish settlements (people from Canary Islands) in Cayo Hueso and Tampa. Ibor City, for example, had a large population of Spanish people around the large cigar factory there.

One of the oldest groups of settlers were Minorcans, from Menorca, brought during the 17th Century during the English Occupation.

I read an article about Minorcans, they still preserve their last Catalan name, but no trace of their language.

The "Sanchez" family, you might remember them from their legal battle against Sol Melià, owns a large part of those claims, now worthless. In Spain there are claims at the Archivo General de Indias, in Seville, but most are in Tallahasse. In Cuba there are also claims, but they don't let historians into the archives.

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Old 05-15-2009, 02:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Leovigildo View Post
US Census Bureau. Facts about Cuban Americans
US Census Bureau. Facts about Cuban American:
Cuban Americans have acquired an enormous amount of wealth and prosperity in an extremely short period of time; no other immigrant group has achieved this as quickly as the Cubans. Many immigrants have never achieved it at all, despite being in this country far longer than Cubans.
Second-generation Cuban-Americans were more educated than even Anglo-Americans. More than 26.1% of second-generation Cuban-Americans had a bachelor’s degree or better versus 20.6% of Anglos. Thus Cuban-Americans in 1997 were approximately 25% more likely to have a college degree than Anglos.
Other Hispanic groups lag far behind. Only 18.1% of South Americans had a bachelor’s or better. Puerto Ricans, despite being U.S. citizens by birth, recorded a disappointing 11%; Mexicans only 7%.
In 1997, 55.1% of second-generation Cuban-Americans had an income greater than $30,000 versus 44.1% of Anglo- Americans. Thus Cuban-Americans are approximately 20% more likely to earn more than $30,000 than their Anglo-American counterparts. All other Hispanic groups lag far behind in average income.
In 1997, 36.9% of second-generation Cuban-Americans had an income greater than $50,000 versus 18.1% of Anglo- Americans. Cuban-Americans were twice as likely to earn more than $50,000. Also, approximately 11% of Cuban-Americans had incomes greater than $100,000 versus 9% of Anglo-Americans, and less than 2% of other Hispanics.
Cubans comprise less than 4% of the U.S. Hispanic population, Mexicans 65%, Puerto Ricans 10%, Central and South Americans 11%, and “others” 10%. Yet of the top 100 richest Hispanics in the U.S., more than 50% are of Cuban descent (ten times what it should be on a population basis), and 38% of Mexican descent. The rest is scattered among all other Hispanic groups.
Source: U.S. Census Bureau

Leovigildo,

Could you enlighten us with the source of that information. I know you wrote "U.S. Census" but you forgot to type (as always) the direct web link to access the information typed on your comments

(For example: www.census.gov/etc etc....)

I want the direct link to the U.S. Census website, not to a non-reliable article written by Cubans taking Non sense BS.

For Example: US CENSUS BUREAU STATISTICS ON CUBAN AMERICANS. Cuba Forum by Havana Journal, where according Cuban says the census said this or that...


You are insulting our intelligence and wasting our time if you don`t provide a trustworthy link that goes straight to the U.S. Census website.

For example: http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/censr-18.pdf (Very reliable)

Do you see the difference? .... it starts with a www. c e n s u s . g o v ...that`s how we do things in USA, we always go to the source. Your manipulations might work in Spain but not here...








My previous post...

Leovigildo wrote,

"Other Hispanic groups lag far behind. Only 18.1% of South Americans had a bachelor's or better. Puerto Ricans, despite being U.S. citizens by birth, recorded a disappointing 11%; Mexican Americans only 7%. "


Lie

http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/censr-18.pdf

Re-read the US Census Bureau (trustworthy and realiable finally!) weblink that you provided.


Page 11 ...


The educational attainment
of Hispanics varied
by group.

• In 2000, over half of the Hispanic
population aged 25 and over
(52 percent) had at least a high
school diploma, and approximately
1 in 10 had earned a
bachelor’s or higher degree
(10 percent). Compared with the
total population, Hispanics were
less likely to have completed at
least high school or college.
Among Hispanic groups,
Spaniards and South Americans
had the highest proportions with
at least a high school diploma
(77 percent and 76 percent
respectively), while Mexicans and
Central Americans had the lowest
(about 46 percent each).
The proportion who had attained
at least a bachelor’s degree varied
considerably: 30 percent of
Spaniards, 25 percent of South
Americans, 21 percent of Cubans,
12 percent of Puerto Ricans,
11 percent of both Other
Hispanics and Dominicans,
10 percent of Central Americans,
and 7 percent of Mexicans.


Again, (maybe you must read things twice to understand them)


Among Hispanic groups,
Spaniards and South Americans
had the highest proportions with
at least a high school diploma
(77 percent and 76 percent,
respectively),
The proportion who had attained
at least a bachelor’s degree varied
considerably: 30 percent of
Spaniards, 25 percent of South
Americans, 21 percent of Cubans,


They are using Percent( %) of population, so it does not matter which is the largest or minor latin group... they are using percentages based on the respective population of each nationality. (that`s very important when you analize the information)


Leovigildo Wrote,

"Pa' que te enteres, Contreras."




yeah..."pa` que me entere" that eventhough Cubans have free college education + free housing + food stamps + legal status they have managed to be number 3 behind Spaniards and South Americans in bachelor`s degreed and high School diplomas obtained



Note:

I used your own source from the US Census http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/censr-18.pdf

(very trustworthy , unlike those cubano articles written by Cubans)....


Ohh lord...


An immigrant group which has enjoyed of free college education + food + housing + legal status can`t be number 1 in bachelors degrees and high schools diplomas obtained....not even number 2... Cubans are number 3!

that takes abundant ignorance and laziness....


Congrats Cubans



Leovigildo wrote,

"Cubans comprise less than 4% of the U.S. Hispanic population, Mexicans 65%, Puerto Ricans 10%, Central and South Americans 11%, and "others" 10%. Yet of the top 100 richest Hispanics in the U.S., more than 50% are of Cuban descent (ten times what it should be on a population basis), and 38% of Mexican descent. The rest is scattered among all other Hispanic groups."




Again .... you made second mistake... (I suppose you are trying hard to manipulate the facts... it`s in your genes I suppose)


Lie...


Please re-read your weblink
(http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/censr-18.pdf Page 3).


South Americans represented 4% of the hispanic population, and Central Americans 5.1%.


4 + 5.1 = 9.1% not 11% as you stated


Don`t you know basic math?

...ohhhh...that`s right...you probably don`t have a bachelor`s degree or even a high school diploma....






http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/censr-18.pdf Page 3

There is more.... please read

(This U.S. census statistics are very interesting, many thanks for sharing the weblink with us Leovigildo.)

Page 12 http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/censr-18.pdf


Among Latino groups, the labor
force participation rate of men
was highest among Central
American and South American
men (76 percent and 75 percent,
respectively) and lowest
for Cuban and Other Hispanic
men (about 63 percent each).
South American women had the
highest participation rate among
all the Latino groups (59 percent),
while Cuban women had
the lowest (49 percent).



Wow...Cubans are just not uneducated but lazy as well

I suppose Cubans want to always get everything for free ...

that`s how they live in Cuba... free housing... education...they don`t work...

Now, they want to do the same in U.S....they are number 3 in education... and they don`t work.




Moreover,,, it is getting better
Page 6 http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/censr-18.pdf

Among the Hispanic groups,
Cubans were the most likely to
be married, followed by South
Americans, Mexicans, and
Spaniards. Cubans were also
more likely to be separated,
widowed, or divorced than any
other Hispanic group.


I suppose that Cubans don`t have family values... wow...

Uneducated, Lazy, Lack of family values...




There is more,


Page 8

Cubans had the highest proportion
(41 percent) of naturalized
citizens of all the Hispanic
groups.

Wow... this country opened its doors to you Cubans...and they gave you all the tools to become citizens and this is how you thank our country???

By being... all of the above.



Lastly,

Leovigildo wrote,
"In 1997, 36.9% of second-generation Cuban-Americans had an income greater than $50,000 versus 18.1% of Anglo- Americans. Cuban-Americans were twice as likely to earn more than $50,000. Also, approximately 11% of Cuban-Americans had incomes greater than $100,000 versus 9% of Anglo-Americans, and less than 2% of other Hispanics. "



Where did you take this NONSENSE BS from? What`s is the reliable/trustworthy Source?

Are you dreaming?? ohh my god... this is an insult to anyone who has a decent IQ....

This is the last time that I answer to one of your Lies Leovigildo...



SOURCE: U.S. Census. (the most realiable source in our nation)

I hope that you don`t post stupidities about Cubans that were written in non-reliable magazines... no magazine compares to the U.S. Census of United States of America and its professional/highly skilled/unbiased employees.

Last edited by Eduardo983; 05-15-2009 at 03:00 PM..
 
Old 05-15-2009, 02:50 PM
 
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Eduardo, why don't you like Cubans? It seems like you dislike them in general.
 
Old 05-15-2009, 03:19 PM
 
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Eduardo, why don't you like Cubans? It seems like you dislike them in general.

The moderator needs to close this thread , it is getting absurd ...crisp , you make a valid question , but the thread in general is getting out of hand
 
Old 05-15-2009, 03:26 PM
 
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Originally Posted by crisp444 View Post
Eduardo, why don't you like Cubans? It seems like you dislike them in general.
Crisp,


I have excellent Cuban friends. I don`t dislike them. Many of them are my co-workers, students, and classmates at FIU.

My closest friends are Cubans.



What I dislike is when a few Cubans like Cuba Libre and Leovigildo (for example) type wrong/disrespectful facts about other immigrant groups that are not even supported by trustworthy sources.

Well... I really don`t care if they lie to themselves or maybe are looking for validation/acceptance by others. As a consequence, they try to fool angloamericans and South and other Latin Americans... saying that they are the most superior human beings etc etc etc and the other people are uneducated/poor/insults...etc etc...

They should not write disrespectful comments about other immigrants or anglo americans....


Read the entire discussion, from the starting thread to the last thread...and you will notice what I mean.

I am out. Leovigildo, Cuba libre...just don`t type disrespectful comments about others ok?


Last edited by Eduardo983; 05-15-2009 at 03:41 PM..
 
Old 05-15-2009, 04:56 PM
 
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Fair enough, Eduardo. Thanks for explaining.
 
Old 05-16-2009, 02:00 AM
 
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Crisp


I'm not Cuban, as Eduardo said, but Catalan.
I posted U.S Census data and an article extracted from the most important Hispanic publication in the U.S, but this South American went into rage.
He calls such information unreliable.
How could such a person teach at a Higher Learning Institution?
Nonsensical.
If he hated Cubans, he shold have migrated to Oklahoma or Oregon.

Last edited by Leovigildo; 05-16-2009 at 02:39 AM..
 
Old 05-16-2009, 02:01 AM
 
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Who knows what their problem is. But a huge part of it at least for the hispanic immigrants to Miami is they don't need to learn English to get a job.
And as long as there is no motivation for them to learn the language they will not. If English was a requirement for a job like it is in many other parts of this country they would learn english pretty quick.

Someone the other day did tell me something close to what you said, just that the new immigrants that are coming to Miami, are the poorest of the poor (less educated), vs the wealthier more educated ones that can back in the 60s and 70s.
Actually, in fact, it is almost impossible to get a job in Miami if you DON'T SPEAK SPANISH.
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