Could a person do well in Miami, IN A WHITE COLLAR JOB, without ever speaking English? (Hialeah: college, salaries)

[Marlin331]

^^ Just for the record, that's for the City of Miami and not Miami-Dade County.

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by crisp444

^^ Just for the record, that's for the City of Miami and not Miami-Dade County.

That doesn't say much...

You only shave a few points off by switching to Dade Co. I think in Dade Co. it is 58.5% Speak Spanish at home... That's like a Texas border town!

[Marlin331]

Originally Posted by cuba libre

That doesn't say much...

You only shave a few points off by switching to Dade Co. I think in Dade Co. it is 58.5% Speak Spanish at home... That's like a Texas border town!

It sounds a bit high that 95% of "Hispanics" in Miami-Dade County speak Spanish at home. However, if that is the correct figure, there is an explanation: many English-speaking "Hispanic" households qualify as "Spanish speaking" because some Spanish is spoken at home. With that said, this doesn't indicate "third world" status or anything like that because if I had a child I would try to speak a mix of English and Spanish in the home so that s/he understood Spanish... everyone knows that children 100% of the time learn English and often resist learning Spanish... and Cuba libre, you should know by now that I am not "ghetto" or "third world."

[Leovigildo]

Cuba Libre is Cuban, probably born in the US from the first wave.
Probably raised up North.
His family relocated in Miami and he's reacting to the city just as many other Americans or early Cubans do.

[♥♥PRINC3Ss♥♥]

Originally Posted by crisp444

First, Cuba libre is not Cuban; as far as I know, he is an American of "Anglo" origin. Second, he is not a dumb guy and it appears to me that he posts on this forum for fun and to get a rise out of everyone. I don't believe that he believes much of what he writes; he just uses hyperbole to get across his point that Miami is different and there are some ghetto people, some of which speak English poorly. I highly doubt Cuba libre is part of the Aryan Brotherhood or KKK or anything like that; my guess is that he writes what he does for laughs. I hope I'm not wrong!

I cannot believe you are defending this guy crisp. I think you are in denial. He spreads hate towards hispanics and blacks, and even if he didn't believe his stuff(which I highly doubt) other crazy people out there might believe his stuff. I don't know what is so funny about that. Maybe when it escalates to racial crimes it will stop being "witty" "funny" or whatever he thinks this is. Racism has to be the most disgusting thing on earth and it is not something to joke about, I don't care how articulate, funny or intelligent you are. It's disgusting PERIOD

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by lolitazz

I cannot believe you are defending this guy crisp. I think you are in denial. He spreads hate towards hispanics and blacks, and even if he didn't believe his stuff(which I highly doubt) other crazy people out there might believe his stuff. I don't know what is so funny about that. Maybe when it escalates to racial crimes it will stop being "witty" "funny" or whatever he thinks this is. Racism has to be the most disgusting thing on earth and it is not something to joke about, I don't care how articulate, funny or intelligent you are. It's disgusting PERIOD

You are barking at statistics that don't lie, using your feminine emotion in place of where cold cut numbers belong regarding what actually exists. The facts are that we can't to give 'equal housing, pay, and education' to all the poor people in the Western hemisphere who float, swim, or crawl here. We would go broke. That is why when people come on this forum and ask for a decent place to live, I try my best to steer them away from the largest conglomorations of these poor people in Dade County.

FACT 1-
67% of City of Miami households speak Spanish primarily

New Census report highlights use of Spanish in United States

FACT 2-
75% of City of Miami households speak a language other than English at home

New Census report highlights use of Spanish in United States

FACT 3-
58.5% of Miami-Dade Households speak Spanish

In Miami, Spanish becoming primary language - Life- msnbc.com

FACT 4-
ONLY 27% of Miami-Dade households speak English at home

In Miami, Spanish becoming primary language - Life- msnbc.com

Crisp, thank you for understanding a well-rounded opinion, backed up with statistics. Moderator cut: Personal Attack/Trolling/Flaming

[It's All a Façade]

I believe the main question in this forum was whether or not a "white collar" worker would be able to conduct business and maintain a position in Miami, FL without any knowledge of the English language.

In my opinion, the average executive in Miami would most definitely speak English, but Spanish is also a major necessity. It is difficult to procure a high-paying position without both. Therefore no, it is not likely that you can find a good job without knowing English. However the opposite is also true, as Miami is fast becoming another extension of Latin America, it is also very difficult to find a position without knowing Spanish.

As an American-born, non-hispanic fluent English/Spanish speaker, I am well aware of the disadvantages English speakers have in the Miami job market. For most workers, it really is essential to know both languages enough to conduct business.

[It's All a Façade]

Originally Posted by It's All a Façade

I believe the main question in this forum was whether or not a "white collar" worker would be able to conduct business and maintain a position in Miami, FL without any knowledge of the English language.

In my opinion, the average executive in Miami would most definitely speak English, but Spanish is also a major necessity. It is difficult to procure a high-paying position without both. Therefore no, it is not likely that you can find a good job without knowing English. However the opposite is also true, as Miami is fast becoming another extension of Latin America, it is also very difficult to find a position without knowing Spanish.

As an American-born, non-hispanic fluent English/Spanish speaker, I am well aware of the disadvantages English speakers have in the Miami job market. For most workers, it really is essential to know both languages enough to conduct business.

It is also true, though, that it is much easier for a Spanish-speaker with no English skills to find a blue collar position than an English-speaker with no Spanish skills. There is definitely a bias.

[noland123]

It would be like an executive being transferred to Mexico from the U.S. ,one would want to know the primary language of that which is Spanish even though English was spoken fluently, I would not want to go to any country to reside and work and not know the primary language there.

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by noland123

What does this have to do with the OP'S statement? Way off- topic

The language most people speak in Miami is RIGHT ON TOPIC. The numbers are staggering. Usually pushovers don't like to talk about this 600 lb gorilla.

Originally Posted by noland123

It would be like an executive being transferred to Mexico from the U.S. ,one would want to know the primary language of that which is Spanish even though English was spoken fluently, I would not want to go to any country to reside and work and not know the primary language there.

Too bad South Americans don't feel the same way.